[Edit: New Problem] Old scene won't open

[philmaron]

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Hey dear users, hi dear Ahmet,
we talked about that already some time ago on facebook - I still have an issue which starts to annoy me. And there must be a way to solve it.

I am talking about a scene which simply does not open in R18 + newest octane. In R17 with and an old version of Octane everything opens as expected.

I found out that when removing the materials, everything opens nicely, so I guess the problem is caused by any or all the octane materials. To prove my point, I attached a scene with no geometry, but only materials in the material manager. Maybe it helps to find out, what happens here. http://www.philmaron.de/privat/02_klebl ... _nogeo.c4d

Desperate regards
Phil

Edit:

A C4D-Material node called "Colorizer" inside my Octane Materials caused a crash in combination with Cinema's Substance engine. Resolved by using Octane's "Gradient" node instead. Have no script to change the nodes, had to open in old Cinema and replace via hand. Nonetheless: Don't use Colorizer

Edit 2:

Long saving times and crashes when saving are caused by "save for melange" in the Cinema 4d preferences. It is a necessary feature for better interaction via CineWare in AfterFX, but should be disabled most of the time. If the error occurs in connection with Octane or randomly is hard to tell so far, but check on that aswell!

[aoktar]

I'm going to check!
First impression: It's about substance plugin not octane. Checking in R17.

[aoktar]

Here is what i found

[philmaron]

Oh my, I thought Cinema Shaders (especially colorizer) were supported?
Nonetheless, an old scene when I did not use the gradient. I will replace the colorizers. Thank you for your quick help so far, this might really save me!

But I fear I have another problem here. Might be connected, but propably not: I made a copy of the scene without geometry for you and a scene without materials for me to test. And the no-geo opens well in R18, but is unably to save! I got a lot of problems with long saving times and big filesizes lately. So I sent it to Maxon, who responded:"Your files got references for Octane. If we save your file without any plugins installed, it works. The problem must be inside the plugin."

So yeah, the same scene posted above, but without materials: http://www.philmaron.de/privat/02_klebl ... nomats.c4d Are you able to save it, or does your R18 crash aswell?

[aoktar]

Oh my, I thought Cinema Shaders (especially colorizer) were supported?
Nonetheless, an old scene when I did not use the gradient. I will replace the colorizers. Thank you for your quick help so far, this might really save me!

I don't say that there's no support. A kinda supported yes! I'm converting them to Gradient node automatically while converting whole materials to Octane materials. Issue is not that supporting them but there's a crash which is not directly related with with our plugin.

[aoktar]

So yeah, the same scene posted above, but without materials: http://www.philmaron.de/privat/02_klebl ... nomats.c4d Are you able to save it, or does your R18 crash aswell?

Yes! But i don't have a plugin named as "CA Scroll Roll". Try uninstall and save.

[philmaron]

Sadly, doesn't save in R18, only R17 again. Please check this one: http://www.philmaron.de/privat/02_klebl ... scroll.c4d

[aoktar]

Sadly, doesn't save in R18, only R17 again. Please check this one: http://www.philmaron.de/privat/02_klebl ... scroll.c4d

Yes! It's very quick on saving and same on file size, see video.

[philmaron]

First off: Wow, thank you again so much!

That's interesting. So Maxon tells me, they can save it and if theres a problem, it would be the missing plugin, propably octane. But if you can save it, it propably is not an octane problem. Which means, the problem is on my installation of either the plugin or the software. Is there anything I could provide to find out what might be wrong?

[aoktar]

First off: Wow, thank you again so much!

That's interesting. So Maxon tells me, they can save it and if theres a problem, it would be the missing plugin, propably octane. But if you can save it, it propably is not an octane problem. Which means, the problem is on my installation of either the plugin or the software. Is there anything I could provide to find out what might be wrong?

I don't see any reason related with Octane. Can you try without having any plugin and alternatively with just octane. What's R18 version?