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manlio
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Hi I would be interested in a system like this one (highlighted in bold, taken from Octane Benchmark topic http://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 4&start=80) advised by Refracty.
4 * 580s 3GB or 4 * 680 4GB are both good choices. If you don't want to water cool (what will raise the costs) I would go with the 680s. They consume less energy and doesn't heat up so quick.
580s are 10 % faster but the 680s will give you a bit more textures and VRam.

So If I would choose a system today I would go with 4 * 680s in an air cooled case.
Can anyone give me an advice on which motherboard and case would be pairing this configuration without temp problems or other flaws? To me, in system like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuBJ97R1M5w the GPU card seems really near one to eachother and I'm not sure that aircooling could be sufficient.
And also could be an alternative (apart from the 2 Gb par GPU limit) a system with two 690gtx that leave more space for air flow and maybe allow cheaper motherboard?
Which is barely the difference in polygons managed by 2 GB card Vs 4 Gb?
Thank you!
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This post shows you my search for the 4x gpu 580 3gb (aircoolig) config with details on config, photo and price.
http://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... pet#p97599
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Thanks for replying Rappet, but I haven't the permission to read the post :(
manlio
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Hi Rappet, I have read your configuration in your sign and this help me for a motherboard choice.
Eventually can you give some insight about aircooling tricks?
Thank you.

P.S. Is there any chance to see the topic linked without buying a license? I think this info are really useful for new potential octane customer.
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I have my p6T7 WS motherboard running 4 580s, works solid. RT rendering in amazing with speeds like that.

Yes, airflow and temps were a huge issue with this config. The 580s have poor cooling, and they all went to 90C on full load.
I solved this by adding 4 casefans directly on the gpus, and moving my pc near a window where cold air is being sucked right on the gpus, now on full load I get max 65C! No aircooling needed. But you have to change your setup near a window, and live in a cold area.

With this rig I can even OC all the four 580s, no watercooling needed.
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manlio wrote:Hi Rappet, I have read your configuration in your sign and this help me for a motherboard choice.
Eventually can you give some insight about aircooling tricks?
Thank you.

P.S. Is there any chance to see the topic linked without buying a license? I think this info are really useful for new potential octane customer.
Hi manlio,
I made copies form my earlier posts concerning the config.. Maybe this give syou more insight :D
It is a lot, but hey.. You asked for it :lol:
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Hi you all,
I am about to purchase a build with these specs; it is a proposal of the builder of a new aircooled PC I would like to go for.
I would appreciate your opinion and comments to see what you experts think of this config.
Where to improve or maybe de-exaggerate. No, no watercooling.. that is no issue for me anymore.
I am not intend to overclock.
I already have a few questions though... Should I run the OS on the ssd? And on raid 0 or 1?
Gabriellefx has his textures running on a second pair of ssd. Is that worth doing?

4x gtx 580 3gB classified
Enermax Fulmo GT ( case) with a lot of fans:
- Silverstone AP181 180mm ( 5x fans: 4x left panel + 1x front ) 
- Scythe Typhoon 1450Rp 120mm ( 2x fans top panel)
- Scythe Slip Stream 500Rp 120mm ( fan right panel behind cpu)
- Scythe Slip Stream 500Rp 140mm ( 5x fans: 2x for hdd front +2x bottom+ 1x rear)
- Scythe Kaze Q12 ( fan controller )
Enermax Maxrevo 1500W ( power unit)
Intel Core i7 3930K ( processor )
Corsair Hydro H100 ( processor cooling)
Asus Rampage IV Extreme ( mortherboard)
Corsair Vengeance 32Gb ( 8x4Gb memory)
2x Samsung 830 128Gb ( raid 1 of 0? SSD )
Western Digital Caviar Black 1Tb ( HD )
W7 64bits

greetZ

And second post:

rappet wrote:
@glimpse and polderanimation, thnx for your comment and tips.

PolderAnimation wrote:
Are you going to use it for cpu rendering as well? 
If not I would kill the Intel Core i7 3930K. 
Way to expensive and a quad core will do just fine for working on it.
When do you receive it? I am curious about the temperatures and sound as well .

Yes, I'll also use the build for cpu rendering as well, for archicad and artlantis. The 3930k will probably be clocked to at least 4,5 gHz. That in combination with my current PC (quad @3) be nice for spreading ATL renderings.
The arrival of gpu will be tuesday and I've to make a decision about the definitive config to start the building.
I don't know what time that will take.
I am curious and excited too about performance, heat and noise... I'll post my findings hopefully very soon.
Greetz


Finally I proudly and excitedly can work and play with my new build and Ocatane.
You can see my post on the Benchmark topic if you like:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7144&p=97467#p97467
The temperatures during the benchmark were 85/80/77/71 ºC
The noise of the machine is not too bad, but I had all existing fans replaced by more silent ones;
surprisingly it doesn't make much more noise then my oldest PC. The H100 watercooler for the CPU makes the most annoying sound, because it is not a steady sound  
But I always have ny music played pretty loud and I am very very glas with this aircooled 4xGPU system this far.
I only got to play with it for a few days though.
Greetz,

And another post:

Thanx gabrielefx, you were my reference to go for such a build   

Hi ahhhchuen,
ahhhchuen wrote:
Hi Rappet,
First thank you very very much your experience sharing.
A question about how you deploy "Scythe Kaze Q12": you control all case-mounted fans manually?

Yes I can control all nine fans. Ofcourse not the GPU-fans itself; that I can do with Nvidia software. I guess the fans will always be on max, but I'll probably experiment with that to see what effects they have on temps.

ahhhchuen wrote:
Is there a simple diagram showing your planned air-flow? Will adding wheels to the case help the air flow from bottom?

http://www.2cooltek.com/Enermax-FULMO-M ... AG-BL.html
The link above shows you the same airflow planned, but I have different sizes and numbers of fans. I had to skip skip a few from my first config and now have 9 fans. Htis is the finally use of fans:
- Silverstone AP181 180mm ( 3x left panel )
- Scythe Typhoon 1450Rp 120mm ( 2x fans top panel)
- Scythe Slip Stream 500Rp 120mm ( 1x fan right panel behind cpu)
- Scythe Slip Stream 500Rp 140mm ( 3x fans: 1x for hdd front +1x bottom+ 1x rear)

I'll try the Octanebenchmark with wheels underneath and post it later.. now I am curious too.
update: I was trying, but it's bit of a hazzle, because it's 25 kilo PC and I want it without wheels anyway. So I am not gonna try the benchmark with wheels. I measured and the extra space will be 1,5cm underneath and the space is already 3,5 cm high. I think it won't make much difference, the design is probably optimized already with the 3,5 cm.

ahhhchuen wrote:
And, is your hottest GPU the top-most one?

Yes the GPU on top is the hottest. i could underclock the top one and overclock the other ones to get the same temperature and a higher result if I want to.

ahhhchuen wrote:
I am planning adopting your config, with 3x580 only, using the middle grey PCIe (2B), which should share all the bandwidth of 2A if (that is up to x8) if I didn't plug in anything to that. I guess that way will achieve less stress on temperature and fan load. (but of course less horsepower)

My strategy is to utilize all 3 GPU doing still rendering, and 2 GPU with PCIeX16 (in red slots) when doing animation with 3dsmax, which I guess the speed bottleneck is the voxelization stage of each frame.

Any thinking from you?

Ahhhchuen


I'm a newbee here and came to this config by searching different comments adn asking around on his forum. I think I'll leave the advice to the experienced ones instead of possibly giving bad advice.. GabrielleX is one of my examples. He has got 2x quad 580 btw.
The link below shows a topic on this forum about investing new hardware. Thanx guys for all the responses I got to make up my mind and went for it. Thnx guys... you were and are very helpfull.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8886
I just went for the horsepower without watercooling and I like four same cards (4-SLI might come in handy for other software).
When I render the 4GPU's are used (almost) full I think, because if I need to other stuff at the same time I'll do that on another computer (only one gtx275) if nessecary.
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If you worry about Temps you should go with the 680s.
2 GB (690) are much. It all depends on your needs.
But please be aware that beside Poly count, the texture size / number and output resolution are important factors that will consume VRam.

One GTX 680 4GB plus one GTX 690 2*2GB could also be a good option. Then you have air space in a 4 or 3 slot motherboard and you could upgrade in the future.
You should connect your display on the GTX 680 then of course so that all 3D apps and the system will use the their VRam. So you use the full 2GB VRam of both cards.
If a scene renders that needs more Vram (let's say 3GB) Octane should continue to render on the 680 without stopping the render.
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By the way a/multiple "Gigabyte Gtx 670 Oc 4Gb" sounds like a good alternative to the 680 with a good price/value, but I didn't test it myself yet.
manlio
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Thank you all!
Very informative and helpful replies.
Now I can't wait to test octane with cinema 4d integration!
Have a nice day.
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