Octane and internet connection

[Carl S.]

I've developed professional software for over 13 years (using dongles) and never had one fail. Think about it, they plug in and they typically stay there. In an office environment you may pass it to another employee or computer and back. In a personal environment it's in your computer and you leave it there. It's not like you take it out to eat with you and drop it in your drink. It's also not like you couldn't switch to a network (internet) connection for a situation if you should have some issue.

I don't know, my point was is in a professional environment I would never rely on a 3rd party server to be able to complete my job for my customer. Never. I need to be in control of such things to deliver on time. I need to be able to rely on my tools being ready to go when I need them, not waiting because company X decided to move offices and I have to wait a week for the server to return.

I'm just saying is all. In this regard I am a hobbiest, so either way is fine. I'm just agreeing with Dono, I think Refractive will need to work on a solution in order to be in a production environment.

2 good points made.
I haven't used dongle since Max stopped using them at version 4 I think it was so I am not very familiar with the failure rate. But they do fail and there was a law passed last year in the United States that makes it legal to use the software if the dongle fails or a replacement is no longer available.
Other good point: "for the last 13 years".
Very outdated. We are talking from 1980. 31 years old. I think it is time to move on.
Maybe refractive can start shipping floppy dics for people with internet that goes down while trying to download the software?

[Quandtum]

Internet goes back to the 60's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet, so by your own logic... I'll also add it's easier to spoof an IP packet then it is to emulate a USB dongle, should you be concerned over the level of protection you are receiving.

[Carl S.]

Yes not the strongest of logics. Internet is in no way shape or form what it was in the 60's today as a dongle is still a useless periphial taking up some port on your machine.

Well I am going to bow out of this now, it is completely pointless and my internet is fine as usual. Have fun fighting the power and trying to turn software into what you need instead of just using what you need. Cheers.

On a separate note I implore Refractive to know who they are taking feature requests off of, some of this stuff is just getting silly. I will leave it at that.

[Quandtum]

I was very upfront in my first post, I use this for a hobby, I couldn't care less either way. I'm not trying to change anything, I'm trying to offer real field experience and the realities of the corporation. Either way, be well.

[Carl S.]

I was very upfront in my first post, I use this for a hobby, I couldn't care less either way. I'm not trying to change anything, I'm trying to offer real field experience and the realities of the corporation. Either way, be well.

Sorry, I honestly wasn't referring to you, I probably shouldn't of even posted that in this thread. It is something that I have been thinking of for the past week or so. The forum is rampant in that type of stuff.

[Method]

The uncertainty shit everyone. Unfortunately, some other solution is to keep the good development of this product.
Also expect that over time will find another way.


Sorry for my english.

[cpember]

hey Carl, you use max.. go ahead and take your network card out of your computer and see what max does. unless you're using a floating license:

that's right, its a dongle.

Its not as unused as you think.. I can probably find a pile of commercial software that use them (vray for one) actually, Id say for node locked, there's probably 100's of pieces of software that uses your nic for a "dongle"

I guarantee if max was licensed the same way, your opinion on this topic would be vastly different (as would the voices of 300k max users)

*I* personally don't care, cause I use Octane it for personal stuff, but I cant see it getting into production here (although Radiance has mentioned a different method for farms, etc, but that's about all I've heard in any case, i hope thats true)

but yeah, dongles shouldn't be discounted at all IMO

cheers.

cp

Dongles sound horrible what year are you people living in?
It's 2011 around here, where internet flows like raging waters.

[Aenima]

I've developed professional software for over 13 years (using dongles) and never had one fail. Think about it, they plug in and they typically stay there. In an office environment you may pass it to another employee or computer and back. In a personal environment it's in your computer and you leave it there. It's not like you take it out to eat with you and drop it in your drink. It's also not like you couldn't switch to a network (internet) connection for a situation if you should have some issue.

I admin some systems at newspapers over 10 years and i have several donlge issue by way of example with Quark Xpress. Some of them simple stop working some of them just lost or break. So the dongle still not a good solution. I think we need a new methode to store account informations and a less frequent check over internet maybe a weekly period.

[suhail_spa]

dont be funny...its the octanelive thats preventing those damn crackers out there..
lets not argue and let it be the way it is..

(this post is not specifically targeted to anyone btw )

[David]

dont be funny...its the octanelive thats preventing those damn crackers out there..

Do you think so ?
Ubisoft use exactly the same kind of protection, you must be online to launch and to play a game even in solo mode. So, why do they complain that their games are constantly pirated if it is the miracle anti-piracy solution?

And yet, when you purchase an Ubisoft game it is clearly stated that you need a permanent connexion. It was not the case here when I bought Octane in April.

Many have complained, and we should see in the future a version of Octane that won't need internet connexion according to what Radiance said in the forum.