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FrankPooleFloating wrote:i7 5820k is a mere $140 more, and worth every penny. I love my GA-X99-SOC.
grimm wrote:Thanks guys, I understand, no GPU this time around. :( It does mean I can get a nice new case though. :) The 8520k is very interesting, it has 28 lanes so it would support 3 8x plus 1 4x right? That processor with 32 gigs of memory plus motherboard would be right around $850. That is still very good, and I will keep my two GPUs and move the hard drives and SSDs over to the new system.

i7-5820k vs. i7-4820K Or Ten Differences Between The Two*/

(1) Launch Date
Q3'14 (newer) vs. Q3'13
(2) Intel® Smart Cache
15 MB vs. 10 MB
(3) Recommended Customer Price
BOX : $396.00 vs. $332.00
TRAY: $389.00 vs. $323.00
(4) # of Cores
6 vs. 4
(5) # of Threads
12 vs. 8
(6) Processor Base Frequency
3.3 GHz vs. 3.7 GHz
(7) Max Turbo Frequency
3.6 GHz vs. 3.9 GHz
(8) TDP
140W vs. 130W
(9) Memory Types
DDR4 1333/1600/2133 vs. DDR3 1333/1600/1866 (there’s faster memory for both, but the i7-5820k will hold the advantage simply because of its recentness)
(10) Max Memory Bandwidth
68 GB/s vs. 59.7 GB/s
(11) Max # of PCI Express Lanes
28 vs. 40

Comments: Regarding applications running on the CPU, if they’re more highly multithreaded, the i7-5820k may be faster than the i7-4820K despite the i7-4820K's higher clock speed because of the i7-5820k's two extra cores and thus its two extra threads also and even in lower threaded apps, the larger cache and using faster memory with the i7-5820k may help to further mitigate the lower clock speeds. The i7-4820K’s higher Max # of PCI Express Lanes advantage with regards to the speed of the getting the data supporting the render to the GPUs may not appear until the GPU count reaches 4 or higher, and that GPU count is dependent on IO space constraints that depend on bios, OS and other considerations discussed more fully in this thread - viewtopic.php?f=40&t=43597#p212504 . In any event, however, we're not talking about any annoying waiting times in either event, unless as itou3's thread points out one is using the current Out-of-core textures feature in a low lane configuration (or on a low lane connection device) [ viewtopic.php?f=25&t=45279&start=100 ]. So it's best to get the highest memory GPUs and a motherboard with the largest number of x16 and x8 slots PCI slots that you can afford (and this also re-emphasizes keeping abreast of the supported PCIe lane count of both the motherboard {download motherboard manuals as PDFs and read them to help comparison shop before purchasing} and the CPU {compare them using http://ark.intel.com ). Once the data is, however, in the GPU, then the GPU's specs matter most.

*/ (a) Specs for the i7-5820k are listed first.
(b) bolding denotes better or perceived advantage (at least to/for some).
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grimm wrote:Thanks guys, I understand, no GPU this time around. :( It does mean I can get a nice new case though. :) The 8520k is very interesting, it has 28 lanes so it would support 3 8x plus 1 4x right? That processor with 32 gigs of memory plus motherboard would be right around $850. That is still very good, and I will keep my two GPUs and move the hard drives and SSDs over to the new system.
Not exactly. If you go with a dual PLX chip motherboard (asrock ws-e, asus x99-e ws) you'll be able to run 4 gpus at 16x all of them even with 5820k.
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smicha wrote:
grimm wrote:Thanks guys, I understand, no GPU this time around. :( It does mean I can get a nice new case though. :) The 8520k is very interesting, it has 28 lanes so it would support 3 8x plus 1 4x right? That processor with 32 gigs of memory plus motherboard would be right around $850. That is still very good, and I will keep my two GPUs and move the hard drives and SSDs over to the new system.
Not exactly. If you go with a dual PLX chip motherboard (asrock ws-e, asus x99-e ws) you'll be able to run 4 gpus at 16x all of them even with 5820k.
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Tutor wrote: Cousin Smicha,

Wonderful save.
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smicha wrote:
grimm wrote:Thanks guys, I understand, no GPU this time around. :( It does mean I can get a nice new case though. :) The 8520k is very interesting, it has 28 lanes so it would support 3 8x plus 1 4x right? That processor with 32 gigs of memory plus motherboard would be right around $850. That is still very good, and I will keep my two GPUs and move the hard drives and SSDs over to the new system.
Not exactly. If you go with a dual PLX chip motherboard (asrock ws-e, asus x99-e ws) you'll be able to run 4 gpus at 16x all of them even with 5820k.
Excellent! :) Those motherboards are really expensive, how about this one here?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813188162
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http://www.evga.com/support/manuals/fil ... rt1_v2.pdf

p.9:

PCI-E Slot Breakdown

PCI-E Lane Distribution (40 Lane Processor)
PE1 – x16 (x8 if PE2 is used)
PE2 – x8
PE3 – x8
PE4 – x16 (x8 if PE3 is used)
PE5 – x4 (Gen 2 only, 4 lanes pulled from PCH)
PE6 – x8

PCI-E Lane Distribution (28 Lane Processor)
PE1 – x16 (x8 if PE2)
PE2 – x8
PE3 – x8 (Not functional with a 28 lane processor.)
PE4 – x8
PE5 – x4 (Gen 2 only, 4 lanes pulled from PCH)
PE6 – x4
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Thanks Smicha, so it looks like it would be ok. I will never put more than 3 cards in the system and the devs have said 4x and higher is good for Octane. I will do some more research this weekend and work out the details. Thanks again for everyones help. :)

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grimm wrote:Thanks Smicha, so it looks like it would be ok. I will never put more than 3 cards in the system and the devs have said 4x and higher is good for Octane. I will do some more research this weekend and work out the details. Thanks again for everyones help. :)

Jason

Jason,

It appears that the EVGA X99 motherboard that you referenced may be able to support at least six (2x3) Nvidia cards. For months now, I've been slowing reducing my GPU system count down from twenty-four (24) to what appears to be an achievable goal of seventeen (17) GPU systems. The seven non-GPU oriented systems are available for CPU-only rendering jobs, with each sporting only one cheap EVGA GT640. That move cuts down on my GPU software licensing costs and is enabling me to actually complete GPU render jobs faster. Thus, I hope that you can see into the future much better than I could because when I've used the word "never" in the past in very similar contexts, the word "never" later transformed into life as a snake and eyed my heels, causing me to lament having ever having used that sneaky word, especially when trying to save a few bucks in the past was then costing me a lot more down the road. Of course, in your case you might not ever put more than 3 GPU cards in a system - which is exactly what I once said about my early builds. But I didn't know how much GPU rendering was going to figure into my future and, thus, what my future needs would be. Thanks for your patience - this is just an old man's musings.
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Thanks Tutor, no problem. :) I say never because this is all just a hobby for me and I'm right at the amount of money I can justify for this. My current system is about 5 years old now, so I'm looking to at least move up from there. So faster processor, more memory, and with support for at least 3 GPUs. Anything above that is just gravy. :D
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I finally found some time to get back to this (that and I had the flu). How does this combo look?

Intel Core i7-5820K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.3 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80648I75820K Desktop Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product
MSI X99A Raider LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813130866

The two above is about $600, add in $200 for 32 Gb of memory and I'm sitting at $800 so it's doable with my budget. According to the specs the motherboard will support 8x,8x,8x with a 28 lane CPU. So that should be good for Octane. My biggest concern is that the third PCI slot is right at the end of the motherboard, I haven't seen many cases that will allow you to put a 2 slot card there?
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