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AEponym
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sdanaher wrote:
AEponym wrote:You mean : is the TitanX Hybrid more robust than the regular one? I hope so!

The watercooled one is far cooler than the regular one when rendering, that's sure, so I'm not afraid anymore with the temperatures. And yes, they are separated by 1 pciE slot (which used to carry an ati for display), so even at 100% load you barely can hear the fans spinning.

To be exhaustive, the Hybrid titanX didn't fit in the first pci slot (the one at the bottom, just above the RAM carriage) because of the metal plate below the card I talked about earlier which makes it slightly thicker. So currently it fits only above the regular one. Not ideal I think.

I still think about using the last available PCIe slot (under the Hybrid) to put one 780ti outside of the tower, using a riser. Don't know if it's gonna work or not. Do you have knowledge about that?
Not yet ;) If I decide to keep using octane I plan on moving the cards to an external PCI box or some sort. These seem cheap and cheerful, no idea what they're like though...

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akitio-t ... -height-do

If I could find long enough riser card/cables I'd used that for the time being. I have a 980 that I can't use at the mo.
Yes, the Akitio way, I just received mine yesterday to use on an iMac but still didn't have the time to set it up. But I don't know if you can use several akitio's plugged to one iMac.
MacPro 3,1 (early 2008) / 2 Xeon 4x2,8Ghz / 16GB RAM / 2 Titan X (1 Hybrid) / OSX 10.10.5 / Cinema 4D R17.048
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Macurt wrote:According to OctaneBench the 980 Ti is better than the 980 by 26 points.
Would you say that it's a worthy choose getting the 980 Ti to run on a Mac??

Thanks!
yes I would, if the difference of price is worth it.
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AEponym wrote:
sdanaher wrote:
AEponym wrote:You mean : is the TitanX Hybrid more robust than the regular one? I hope so!

The watercooled one is far cooler than the regular one when rendering, that's sure, so I'm not afraid anymore with the temperatures. And yes, they are separated by 1 pciE slot (which used to carry an ati for display), so even at 100% load you barely can hear the fans spinning.

To be exhaustive, the Hybrid titanX didn't fit in the first pci slot (the one at the bottom, just above the RAM carriage) because of the metal plate below the card I talked about earlier which makes it slightly thicker. So currently it fits only above the regular one. Not ideal I think.

I still think about using the last available PCIe slot (under the Hybrid) to put one 780ti outside of the tower, using a riser. Don't know if it's gonna work or not. Do you have knowledge about that?
Not yet ;) If I decide to keep using octane I plan on moving the cards to an external PCI box or some sort. These seem cheap and cheerful, no idea what they're like though...

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akitio-t ... -height-do

If I could find long enough riser card/cables I'd used that for the time being. I have a 980 that I can't use at the mo.
Yes, the Akitio way, I just received mine yesterday to use on an iMac but still didn't have the time to set it up. But I don't know if you can use several akitio's plugged to one iMac.
Let us know how you get on with it. I assumed daisy chaining would be fine because its thunderbolt... maybe not?
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AEponym wrote:
Macurt wrote:According to OctaneBench the 980 Ti is better than the 980 by 26 points.
Would you say that it's a worthy choose getting the 980 Ti to run on a Mac??

Thanks!
yes I would, if the difference of price is worth it.
Awesome, thank you!
MacPro 5.1, 2x3,33 6-core, 48gb ram, GTX980Ti (to run Octane), Quadro4000 (to run screens), os 10.10.5, Cinema 4D 16
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From what I read, daisychaining akitio's doesn't work.

What's eventually working is plugging 2 akitio's to new MacPro's thunderbolt ports. And not any port: there are 2 seperate TB controllers in the beast, each one controlling 3 TB ports. So if you find the right plugging setup, you can have 2 external gpus working on a new MacPro. (I read that on the forum, can't find where anymore, a guy running 2 titanZ externally on TrashPro model) But I guess iMacs have only 1 thunderbolt lane, so… anyway I won't buy 2 akitio's. Its just want to be able to launch octane on the iMac.
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So I just got my 980 Ti (not from Macvidcards, just standard PC version) in the mail, but I ran into trouble connecting the power to it.

On Macvidcards they claim it does not need any external psu, since I was going to replace my Quadro400 with it. But to the Qudaro400 I had a 6-pin form the motherboard, and that's it. The 980 Ti needs an 8-pin and a 6-pin. The motherboard only has two mini-6-pin sockets for power out.
Should I plug the 6-pin straight from the motherboard, and then use an adapter form the other socket turning the 6-pin into an 8-pin and plug that in??

Anyone with experience on this?

Thank you!
MacPro 5.1, 2x3,33 6-core, 48gb ram, GTX980Ti (to run Octane), Quadro4000 (to run screens), os 10.10.5, Cinema 4D 16
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I don't know if they are any adapters to fix you problem, but I can tell you that the 8pin connecters are in fact a 6pin attached to a 2pin connector. And I was told the 2pin connector was for electric safety reasons, but the card could work if you plug only your 2 regular 6 pin connectors.

But I strongly recommend you buying an external psu to feed the 980 (solving the problem of the 8+6pin) and most importantly keeping you quadro for display only. Because your computer will be very sluggish if your Octane card manages the display at the same time. Priority settings inside Octane settings help, but that's not the only thing: the VRAM of your card will be splitted between Octane and OSX. You can expect a drop of at least 200Mo in the RAM available for Octane, at launch. And as long as you work in C4D, you'll see that the amount of VRAM available for Octane is dropping down, just like if the system wasn't able to completely flush its RAM when a new scene is loaded. The sad ending being your computer abruptly restarting because its got 0 byte of VRAM left.

I had to work with such a setup 3 weeks ago, with 2 3Go 780Ti, one was used for the display. It was a complete nightmare, I had to reboot the computer almost every 30 minutes because of this VRAM problem.

Plus, remember that the VRAM has to store not only the models and the textures, but also that the rendered image (and all the passes), which are stored in 32bit in the card while it is rendering. The impact of those 32bit images on the VRAM can quickly get high if you render at large resolutions. For printed ads for example. And if you like to tweak your renders in Photoshop using the different light layers the renderer can produce. So, using your card only for Octane is highly recommended.

In short: really, buy an external PSU, or a small ATI card for display which will be fed only by PCI slot.
MacPro 3,1 (early 2008) / 2 Xeon 4x2,8Ghz / 16GB RAM / 2 Titan X (1 Hybrid) / OSX 10.10.5 / Cinema 4D R17.048
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AEponym wrote:From what I read, daisychaining akitio's doesn't work.

What's eventually working is plugging 2 akitio's to new MacPro's thunderbolt ports. And not any port: there are 2 seperate TB controllers in the beast, each one controlling 3 TB ports. So if you find the right plugging setup, you can have 2 external gpus working on a new MacPro. (I read that on the forum, can't find where anymore, a guy running 2 titanZ externally on TrashPro model) But I guess iMacs have only 1 thunderbolt lane, so… anyway I won't buy 2 akitio's. Its just want to be able to launch octane on the iMac.
Disapointing if true. They say on their site:
The AKiTiO Thunder2 PCIe Box provides an additional PCIe slot for systems that do not support or have enough available space for expansion cards. The external Thunderbolt 2 connection allows users to daisy chain up to five additional Thunderbolt devices, making this the ideal plug-and-play companion, especially when traveling. In addition, replacing the card is a simple matter of removing three hand-tightening screws, so no tools are required.
But they don't specifically say other PCIe cards.
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Yes, they don't specifically say that GPU cards will be recognized when daisychaining boxes.

And I read on this forum that OSX can only recognize 1 GPU per thunderbolt "lane". So, if you put two GPUs in 2 daisychained Akitio's, normally, only the first one in the chain will be available to OSX.
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So what I did was I went to buy a psu, corsair 600w.
Then I followed this video https://vimeo.com/72823826 to the letter, but still... I can't boot my computer even!

I kept the Quadro4000 in my first PCIe slot and connected my monitor to it, and installed the GTX980 Ti in the slot above that. I did the paperclip trick, and I saw that the fans on the 980 were spinning when I turned the computer on. The boot screen became visible for a short while, and then it turned black, and then grey, and then a prompt came up telling me that the computer had to restart. This kept happening over and over until I broke the current. I noticed that the fans on the 980 spun when the computer booted, only to stop, and then the prompt came. What's going on??

This is the card that I installed http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.as ... P4-4993-KR
MacPro 5.1, 2x3,33 6-core, 48gb ram, GTX980Ti (to run Octane), Quadro4000 (to run screens), os 10.10.5, Cinema 4D 16
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