OcDS 2.1 PRE RELEASE 5th

[Notiusweb]

Squirtle,

Your points are well taken. Okay, in the case where the developer for Daz would be (1) unable to, or (2) not wanting to update the plugin to our satisfaction, maybe it could be more functional to get what we want as a user by reaching out to another plugin developer and asking them if they would take on the task of designing a new plugin for Daz? I am completely ignoring any behind the scenes contract or licensing dynamics, but if one is a dissatisfied customer, what other recourse then...would it be possible, let's say, to ask a developer who made a great Octane plugin for another program to design one for Daz? I don't know who's plugin has received the best attention/most updates (3DSMax, Blender, Cinema4D, etc), but maybe if given enough momentum and incentive, the developer might be motivated to create a fresh new 2nd Daz plugin, one that would be better cared for. I agree, no matter what hopes are had for a great update, until that happens all cases are possible...and that means its okay to be innovative and think outside the box. Otherwise we rest on the status quo for inertia sake.

Similarly, might we as Daz users approach Iray and prompt them as to what type of plugin we hope Iray could become. For me, it doesn't have to be Octane Render, it just has to be as fast as Octane Render.

Talking to the Daz Octane developer I say, "Show us the power, and keep the focus on a really great end product..."
To any dissatisfied customer I say, "Suggest once, and follow up to show interest, and when an opportunity arises with an official Otoy rep explain your experience... but do not wait on the developer. Explore the other fish in the sea and see if you can get what YOU want."

[Spectralis]

Apparently PBS shaders will be available for iRAY soon which will increase realism and render speed. No need for conversion of Reality shaders which slow things down. Should improve the iRAY render speed situation somewhat. OcDS still has that materials tab which makes swapping materials much easier though.

[vortex3d]

Apparently PBS shaders will be available for iRAY soon which will increase realism and render speed. No need for conversion of Reality shaders which slow things down. Should improve the iRAY render speed situation somewhat. OcDS still has that materials tab which makes swapping materials much easier though.

I don't think this should become an iRay thread.

[Spectralis]

Apparently PBS shaders will be available for iRAY soon which will increase realism and render speed. No need for conversion of Reality shaders which slow things down. Should improve the iRAY render speed situation somewhat. OcDS still has that materials tab which makes swapping materials much easier though.

I don't think this should become an iRay thread.

Neither do I but I mentioned it here because there have been a number of comparisons made in this thread between the render speed of OcDS and iRAY by those who seem very dismissive of iRAY and don't want us to mention it at all. I'm sorry but that's not living in the real world. On the DAZ forums we discuss many different products to compare their strengths and weaknesses. No one there seems to have a problem with the consensus that with iClone it's easier to set up animation than DS. VUE is much better at creating natural environments than DS. This information is openly discussed because it helps all of us to use the right tools. No one at DAZ seems to have a problem discussing OcDS even in threads that are specifically about iRAY because these comparisons help us learn.

I've written about my tests between iRAY and OcDS in this thread and in a number of ways OcDS is better. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and we should know this, know why that is the case and when to use each one. I had never heard about PBS shaders before. Perhaps we should have them for OcDS too because they apparently speed up rendering. I'm so fed up with no news and no new releases but at least observing some of the developments iRAY's going through helps me learn about unbiased rendering and may pertain to OcDS as well in the future when it's released.

The developer of the PBS shaders has spent a lot of time researching this subject and how to optimise them for iRAY. If that's possible for iRAY could that be done for OcDS too? The results are pretty phenomenal so any improvement of that kind must be worth knowing about and put forward as a possibility for OcDS? Maybe these shaders could be adapted for OcDS. Who knows? But unless we discuss it then how will we ever know?

I think there will be a number of improvements made to both OcDS and iRAY that can be compared and act as a spur to improve the other one. For example IRAY doesn't have out of core textures so the debate on DS forums atm seems to be about which card to buy to compensate for this rather than requesting out of core textures. Some iRAY users are contemplating Titan X's just to solve this problem. That seems like overkill to me when out of core textures would solve part of that problem. That's one OcDS feature that would improve iRAY. These kinds of comparisons are inevitable and if it leads to improvements in OcDS as well then I think it's a win-win situation.

[Goldorak]

You are free to discuss whatever you want on off-topic forums, that is what they are there for. This forum is for OctaneRender specific support. Going forward, please keep that in mind.

[thongology]

...This forum is for OctaneRender specific support...

That was hilarious.

[asennov]

This forum is for OctaneRender specific support. Going forward, please keep that in mind.

Please, tell what did you mean by 'specific support' ?

a. This is the place for customers to praise our godly software. Anything else is offtopic.
b. Here Otoy QA team and devs talk with customers to push development farther and improve their experience with our software.

No, it's certainly cannot be 'b'.

[asennov]

Going forward, please keep that in mind.

Going forward, do you have something 'specific' to say about OcDS? Plans, dates, deadlines?

[Spectralis]

Going forward, please keep that in mind.

Going forward, do you have something 'specific' to say about OcDS? Plans, dates, deadlines?

I doubt very much that you'll get a straight answer from OTOY even though they seem to have the time to mod the forum if something is supposedly, "off topic".

[asennov]

I doubt very much that you'll get a straight answer from OTOY even though they seem to have the time to mod the forum if something is supposedly, "off topic".

When I contacted them in December they didn't answer about the deadline either. Instead they had used some mighty spell to summon t_3 with the 5th 'prerelease'. Now it seems that their powers have weakened as we don't see any sign of 6th 'prerelease'