At no point have I (nor anyone else here) ever ignored or denied the problems with DAZ but that's not the whole story and I don't agree with this newly developing narrative since iRAY was announced that if DAZ had been super helpful we would have the plugin by now. Quite frankly, after all the time we've waited, I think that's special pleading on behalf of OTOY and the developer. The underlying message is that anyone complaining should blame DAZ and conveniently disregard the lack of communication and false promises made here. No one learns from their mistakes if they're swept under the carpet.Hydra wrote:I just told you that other companies have had the exact same problems you are complaining about. They have the exact same explanations you hear here. And I know one that took even longer to get its stuff working (Reality).Spectralis wrote:Presumably, before iRay came along the blame for the plugin delay was due to numerous other unspecified failures on the part of DAZ? But we know, for at least a period during development, that this simply was not the case. After the waiting many of us have gone through to now be spun a line and be expected to buy it is really unbelievable.
Maybe DAZ don't document their software very well and we've been waiting for a Carrara update for ages (though we still have a working Carrara plugin) but at least DAZ Studio actually works. I can create what I need with it but, as thongology points out, the plugin has never been at the point where this could be said reliably. As for the lack of communication from DAZ, after what we've experienced here, the possibility that this cuts both ways can't be ruled out.
After waiting so long I'm resigned to the possibility that we won't see the plugin until after DS 4.8 is released but I don't accept a revisionist history where DAZ is entirely responsible for the delays.
You skipped over all that. I consider that mighty convenient.
You may be right about release dates though. I'm sure Daz will make absolutely zero changes that affect rendering in 4.7 and 4.8 so as to not affect third party developers.
Under the same set of circumstances (poor DAZ documentation and limited DAZ communication) a Carrara plugin has been developed almost to completion in a much shorter time frame than the OcDS plugin. So if these problems that are consistent to both developments haven't prevented the Carrara plugin from being developed then there must be a flaw in that argument somewhere.
The OcDS plugin had been in development a long time before DAZ could have even considered iRAY. We've had two stable updates to DS before iRAY came along so the whole devious DAZ narrative doesn't wash. And if DAZ did decide in 2014 to go with iRAY then I do not blame them. They have to think strategically so if the choice is between the "free" iRAY and ongoing support from NVidia or the very expensive OcDS that is stuck in beta and whose customers receive zero support then sign me up to iRAY. To illustrate how unconcerned OTOY is about our situation it announces the shiny new v3 while we're still stuck on v1.2. Which company, in their right mind, would enter a partnership where that approach to business exists?
