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Postby smicha » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:05 am

smicha Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:05 am
First of all I would like to thank Bro and all who contributed to Octane SU plugin. Great job! I'll be posting my comments in one topic, and if any of them are done I'll mark it.


1. Move along plugin causes SU crash when Octane is active. It crashes when I want to move and copy a group.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop ... 23&t=57337
Can someone confirm it? MoveAlong is my default plugin for moving - I set M key to it.

2. Hidden geometry is not working on plains. Having to create a group is very painful for a fair amount of different hidden geometry. DONE

3. Two point perspective view is not being updated in the viewport when moving the view with O+shift key.

4. Is it possible to change settings values from the keyboard? Setting the values only having sliders is so hard especially when it comes to precision.
SOLVED But more intuitive approach like in Standalone would be nice.


5. Lock proportion for resolution is desired and + comment 4 = entering the values from keyboard.

6. Clay mode would be nice when I go to Monochrome mode in SU. DONE

7. Environment and Sun system based on the standalone solution is desired - map, location, humidity,.... Shadows in SU is so poor and slows SU drastically especially in large scenes. I don't use it at all. So independent settings for Sun location is desired.

8. SketchUV plugin causes crash. Selecting box faces and applying box map causes crash.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44501

9. Font color is too gray - it should be black for better readability. Font size is too small and hard to read - see the screenshot. I suggest go with same size as in standalone and black on white or white on black.

10. Lock option for X Y Z scaling - it's been recently added in Standalone on my request.

11. Again comment # 4 is crucial - changing scaling values is so painful. I cannot literally change back the scaling values to 1 for X and Y. SOLVED

12. Lack of world and object coordinate space for projection modes.

13. Lack of Mesh UV projection (present in standalone).

14. I managed to get bumps and proper scaling only in built-in projection modes, i.e., box. When I delete the node (due to #13) I cannot scale the texture to get proper bumps - screenshot.

15. An option during exporting to .ocs where a user can decide whether to overwrite certain objs or only update scatter nodes.

16. Replacing a component by an obj proxy causes crash.

17. Export all scenes to render targets in ocs.

18. Curviloft causes crash.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop ... 95#p248195

19. Texture scaling in ocs shall be unified with TIG's exporter
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41544

20. Reduce precision of scatter data to 6 digits; 2.70879e-009 is just 0.

21. Ocs exporter does not create groups for SU layers, groups. It also does not create scatter nodes pinned to scatter nodes for nested components but rather exports them as one scatter node. This is so important.

22. Ray epsilon.

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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby resmas » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:47 am

resmas Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:47 am
Hello there


1. Move along plugin causes SU crash when Octane is active. It crashes when I want to move and copy a group.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop ... 23&t=57337
Can someone confirm it? MoveAlong is my default plugin for moving - I set M key to it.



Hello mate i dont use it, when i get the time i will install it and give it a go.



2. Hidden geometry is not working on plains. Having to create a group is very painful for a fair amount of different hidden geometry.

Agree ;)

3. Two point perspective view is not being updated in the viewport when moving the view with O+shift key.

Never used before...cool thing, similar to lens shift but better. would be great to have it working :D

4. Is it possible to change settings values from the keyboard? Setting the values only having sliders is so hard especially when it comes to precision.

You can type the values with keyboard mate. (Fuzzy told he is working on a better menu layout)


5. Lock proportion for resolution is desired and + comment 4 = entering the values from keyboard.



agree on the lock ;)


6. Clay mode would be nice when I go to Monochrome mode in SU.


Allredy in the roadmap, i have asked a few times...hehehe 8-)


7. Environment and Sun system based on the standalone solution is desired - map, location, humidity,.... Shadows in SU is so poor and slows SU drastically especially in large scenes. I don't use it at all. So independent settings for Sun location is desired.


We can now set the correct location in SU Geo-location . I use the SU sun setting, to adjust day, hour, gmt settings but i turn the SU shadows off (display) because i see them in Octane Viewport. - For what i can see the other way would be to have all this option in the "Envoyremnt tab" of Octane Menu.

8. SketchUV plugin causes crash. Selecting box faces and applying box map causes crash.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44501


Allready reported, it looks like some plugins have some compability problems.

9. Font color is too gray - it should be black for better readability. Font size is too small and hard to read - see the screenshot. I suggest go with same size as in standalone and black on white or white on black.


Agree 8-) ...in my 15" laptop screen that is 1080p ... its really hard to read. :shock:

10. Lock option for X Y Z scaling - it's been recently added in Standalone on my request.

Agree

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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby smicha » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:33 am

smicha Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:33 am
resmas wrote:You can type the values with keyboard mate. (Fuzzy told he is working on a better menu layout)


Oh I see :oops: - it is so unintuitive. I the Standalone when you click on a number its background color is changed and I know I can input value from keyboard. This should be similar.
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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby smicha » Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:14 am

smicha Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:14 am
I keep adding comments.
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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby smicha » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:18 am

smicha Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:18 am
Sorry Guys, but I am more and more disappointed of what I got :evil:

The list of remarks exceeded 20. Some of them are of major importance, like #21. There are too many crashes, the interface is hardly readable, the material system must be redesigned - I thought at least I'll use .ocs exported scenes and I'll work in the Standalone for final renders, but even there a manual work with TIG's exporter gives more control.

And there is no response. This should not be the case.

Hope someday I'll start using the Octane plugin for my work.
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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby fuzzybro » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:54 pm

fuzzybro Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:54 pm
smicha wrote:First of all I would like to thank Bro and all who contributed to Octane SU plugin. Great job! I'll be posting my comments in one topic, and if any of them are done I'll mark it.


Thanks man. I just got to your feedback, thanks for being patient.


1. Move along plugin causes SU crash when Octane is active. It crashes when I want to move and copy a group.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop ... 23&t=57337
Can someone confirm it? MoveAlong is my default plugin for moving - I set M key to it.

Which version of Octane, MoveAlong and SU do you have? Link to the plugin would help.

2. Hidden geometry is not working on plains. Having to create a group is very painful for a fair amount of different hidden geometry.

I'll check that.

3. Two point perspective view is not being updated in the viewport when moving the view with O+shift key.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41550&p=198184#p198831

4. Is it possible to change settings values from the keyboard? Setting the values only having sliders is so hard especially when it comes to precision.
SOLVED But more intuitive approach like in Standalone would be nice.

I do plan to update UX.

5. Lock proportion for resolution is desired and + comment 4 = entering the values from keyboard.

On the roadmap but I don't promise to implement this soon. Lots of higher priority things.

6. Clay mode would be nice when I go to Monochrome mode in SU.

Next build.

7. Environment and Sun system based on the standalone solution is desired - map, location, humidity,.... Shadows in SU is so poor and slows SU drastically especially in large scenes. I don't use it at all. So independent settings for Sun location is desired.

Unfortunately I don't plan to implement this. SU shadows are good enough.

8. SketchUV plugin causes crash. Selecting box faces and applying box map causes crash.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44501

Could you please give link to the plugin?

9. Font color is too gray - it should be black for better readability. Font size is too small and hard to read - see the screenshot. I suggest go with same size as in standalone and black on white or white on black.

Yup, working on UI update

10. Lock option for X Y Z scaling - it's been recently added in Standalone on my request.

On the roadmap, but later.

12. Lack of world and object coordinate space for projection modes.

13. Lack of Mesh UV projection (present in standalone).

Next build.

15. An option during exporting to .ocs where a user can decide whether to overwrite certain objs or only update scatter nodes.

This is not quite possible.

16. Replacing a component by an obj proxy causes crash.

Could you provide an obj file that cause crash? Do you select "Replace Geometry"?

17. Export all scenes to render targets in ocs.

On the roadmap.


I'll check.

19. Texture scaling in ocs shall be unified with TIG's exporter
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41544

21. Ocs exporter does not create groups for SU layers, groups. It also does not create scatter nodes pinned to scatter nodes for nested components but rather exports them as one scatter node. This is so important.

No. :D
I don't plan to unify Octane4SU with TIG's plugin in any way.
.ocs/.orbx export is a side feature and simply exports internal structure of SU to Octane mapping. This feature never ment to replace TIG's plugin so you can choose which one to use.

20. Reduce precision of scatter data to 6 digits; 2.70879e-009 is just 0.

Not sure what does that mean. Could you please specify?

22. Ray epsilon.

Roadmap. Maybe next build.

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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby resmas » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:33 pm

resmas Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:33 pm
hello fuzzy. thanks for your answers :-).


- next realease will have the 2.05 version...if yes could we have GI clamp in PT and PMC kernel? that is an amazing new option in Octane.

other thing...
I don't remember if we allready talk about this.

- the ability to turn on/off the visibility of a specific object shadow. - that StandAlone option allow us to hide a object and keep is shadow or the inverse.

I'm telling this because at this time the plugin is closer to all my needs - I'm doing almost all my work inside SU and can't hold myself asking for this little functions.... hehehe

thanks for the great work mate.
I will share a few more shots of other projects all made inside SU with the pluggin :-D.

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Re: smicha's requests, comments, remarks,...

Postby smicha » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:27 am

smicha Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:27 am
Bro,
Thank you for response. I am more and more convinced to use the plugin. I figured out that to get nested components working I just need to hide groups I don't want to export. The rest is done in Standalone.

For SketchUV and move along plugins I pasted the links, again they are at:
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop ... 23&t=57337
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44501


I am just a little worried about consistency between the ocs exporter and TIG's plugin. I'll ask TIG if he can code an option to make his exporter consistent with the exporter.

#20 - if you look at data in scatter nodes in ocs exported to Standalone there are plenty of 0s in a very precise form.


I stay in touch. Bro, great job. Hope to see 64bit SU soon :)
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