780 6GB vs GTX Titan

[haknslash]

I don't see why there would be a 780 Ti 6GB released. Think about it. It would essentially be a Titan Black in terms of performance and VRAM. This is why the 780 6GB was made as it gives you good performance and 6GB of VRAM without the Titan sticker shock.

[glimpse]

I don't see why there would be a 780 Ti 6GB released. Think about it. It would essentially be a Titan Black in terms of performance and VRAM. This is why the 780 6GB was made as it gives you good performance and 6GB of VRAM without the Titan sticker shock.

770 was rebranded 680 with lower price tag (of 670) - technically the same with different cooler & some minor software tweaks.

Companies try stick their producs into different price categories. So in theory it might be released, the question remains why? certainly not to canibalise TitanBlack sales, but..If they replace TitanBlack with let's say high-end maxwell based 8gigger, might be the case when they will try to fit the gap between 780 6GB and new high end with something in the middle.

..it's just a pure marketing game, that we as a mere users see only partly.

[riggles]

I faintly recall reading something (perhaps from a rumor site, honestly) about a 6GB 780Ti K|NGP|N edition being worked on. Buying one doesn't make sense to me, but if there was to be a 780Ti variant w/ 6GB, this seems the most likely. I mean, who else would buy it over a Titan Black except for those few who want ridiculous over clocking ability?

[Seekerfinder]

I don't see why there would be a 780 Ti 6GB released. Think about it. It would essentially be a Titan Black in terms of performance and VRAM. This is why the 780 6GB was made as it gives you good performance and 6GB of VRAM without the Titan sticker shock.

I kind of agree. Is it not true that the Titan Black is the GTX 780Ti with 6Gb? But... there's still about a 20% performance difference between the 780 and 780Ti (from memory - there are some good Octane Benchmarks somewhere in the ether) and, notwithstanding the fact that there is a disproportionate price difference, one cannot ignore that. And because Cuda performance scales linearly, the more cards, the more the effect - we get compounded interest...

Does it make financial sense to buy a Titan Black now? No. To me it does not make sense to buy a 780Ti 3Gb simply because of future 'throttle-fear' (I'm copyrighting that word!). If I had some crazy rendering contract now I would simply do a price/performance analysis - mobo / PSU capacity and general bang for buck and the GTX 780 6Gb's may well win. But since I currently have to consider my next card carefully as an investment, I will be awaiting a 6Gb GTX 780Ti (or whatever they call it) - or simply for the Titan Black's price to fall. Heck, even the original Titan is still about $1K. But they're getting harder to find it seems...

Ramblings of a rambler...

Seeker

[Seekerfinder]

Now that the Titan Z is launched, it might also change the field a bit. I think it's good that a crazy card like that is released in the wild. Because it will eventually push down the other card prices as the ratio.

Seeker

[glimpse]

Now that the Titan Z is launched, it might also change the field a bit. I think it's good that a crazy card like that is released in the wild. Because it will eventually push down the other card prices as the ratio.

Seeker

Curious wheather TZ will change anything (honestly I doubt) - the price is 3k$ for performance (that is expected) to be less than 2xTitans (that worth 2k$) - nVidia is not pushing prices down, at all..

Earlier cards that are twice as powerfull tend to cost less than two separate cards & now for Z they charge even extra just because it lost one slot of space (it's three slotter). Doesn't make sense, at all. Unless it's going to be superior in performance/watt (though this atracts only part of the crowd).

What nVidia seems to be doing is trying to fill the gap between Gamer (GTX) & Pro (Quadro, Tesla) range - with a product for someone like this comunity.

let's wait to see all info & see through some more benchmarks as info 'bout that best is very loose..

[coilbook]

I think nvidias plan make 780ti 6gb. Then discontinue titan black since it is same speed or keep it for double precision and use upcoming titan z as the beast so titan will be ahead again

[haknslash]

I think nvidias plan make 780ti 6gb. Then discontinue titan black since it is same speed or keep it for double precision and use upcoming titan z as the beast so titan will be ahead again

But a Titan Z is a ripoff at it's $3000 sticker price when it's really just two Titan Blacks and will likely perform slower because typically dual GPU cards are not clocked as fast as a single card is. So again people will fall into the marketing trap. You could buy two titan Blacks for the cost of a single Titan Z and probably be faster in most cases. To me the Titan Z would be for someone who wants a very small, maybe even a "micro" size render machine to keep space and noise to a minimum, or they're a gamer with a lot of spare money to spend. Then again I'm sure we'll see someone who buys like 4 of them and then complains they only have 6GB of VRAM and wondering why it's no faster than some guy running 6000 Kepler CUDA cores at a fraction of his "investment" lol.

[Seekerfinder]

I think nvidias plan make 780ti 6gb. Then discontinue titan black since it is same speed or keep it for double precision and use upcoming titan z as the beast so titan will be ahead again

But a Titan Z is a ripoff at it's $3000 sticker price when it's really just two Titan Blacks and will likely perform slower because typically dual GPU cards are not clocked as fast as a single card is. So again people will fall into the marketing trap. You could buy two titan Blacks for the cost of a single Titan Z and probably be faster in most cases. To me the Titan Z would be for someone who wants a very small, maybe even a "micro" size render machine to keep space and noise to a minimum, or they're a gamer with a lot of spare money to spend.

Too true. Only advantage of Z seems to be that it's very power efficient. Other than that I'll have to agree with Glimpse that it's a highly overpriced product. It seems to try and create a market. They really botched the pricing. My theory is that they won't sell. Prices will come down to the sub $2k level within 6 months. This, I hope(!), will help drive down prices of other units in the 7xx range.

Then again I'm sure we'll see someone who buys like 4 of them and then complains they only have 6GB of VRAM and wondering why it's no faster than some guy running 6000 Kepler CUDA cores at a fraction of his "investment" lol.

They're also likely to complain that they can only fit two of these beasts on their ATXe motherboard...

Interesting times. Roumers of a 6Gb 780Ti are heating up.

Seeker

[riggles]

The reason I bought two Titan Blacks recently was because I can only fit two GPUs in my classic Mac Pro, so I wanted to make them count. Also, I wanted a reference cooler design and not the ACX style that is currently available for the 780 6GB.