The index of refraction input only works if this index is a real number, which is the case for clear dielectric materials like water and glass. Any absorption in these materials is usually due to dyeing the material. For these materials you can pick a diffuse color, leave the glossy color to white and set the IOR to some value you may find for this material.
For metals it works quite differently. They also have an index of refraction, but for metals it's a complex number, which determines both the reflection and the absorption of light in the material. Octane doesn't support this directly, you have to approximate this by either setting an index of refraction greater than 1.0, or by setting it to 1.0 and using a mix texture + falloff map as glossy reflection.
Take for example gold. The index of refraction of gold is 0.17 + 3.14j at 650nm (see http://refractiveindex.info/?group=METALS&material=Gold). The complex part of this number is called the extinction coefficient. Octane doesn't support a complex IOR like this. Approximating with a IOR of 0.17 (without the complex part) gives a totally different effect, it would look more like an air bubble in water than like a metal.
The second issue, especially with gold, is that the IOR is dependent on the wavelength. There is no approximate formula for this variation like Cauchy's equation we are using in specular materials. You can look at the graphs on the linked page (the visible light range is between .40μm to .70μm). This gives gold it yellow or reddish color.
The third issue is that gold is usually alloyed with other metals, which affects the color (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_gold).
The recommended way to render gold is to set the IOR to 1.0, diffuse color to 0.0, and use a mix texture + falloff map for the glossy color. The falloff map will simulate the Fresnel effect on the material.
I will add a macro to LiveDB (Materials » Non-Organic » Metal » Colored metal) containing this setup.
And finally, if you render a metal material ball, you have to increase the glossy depth in the kernel settings or switch to path tracing, otherwise Octane won't render all the reflections on the metal.
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Yes, that's correct.manalokos wrote:Hello Roeland
based on your material setup...Do you mean that gold's grazing reflection is not coloured as is the normal reflection? Never thought it would be like that...
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I'm with you on your explanation. Never been able to get realistic look with index settings any way.
So my question is this. What 'physically accurate' situations is the Index setting used for, and how do we find 'real' settings for it?
I'm with you on your explanation. Never been able to get realistic look with index settings any way.
So my question is this. What 'physically accurate' situations is the Index setting used for, and how do we find 'real' settings for it?
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Some converter tool would be nice with some presets.
Like choose Aluminium from a dropdown and we get values what to enter in Octane. But just dreaming.
Like choose Aluminium from a dropdown and we get values what to enter in Octane. But just dreaming.

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+1mbetke wrote:...
Like choose Aluminium from a dropdown and we get values what to enter in Octane...
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Hey Reoland!
I found your coloured metal in the material database. It loos really amazing and now i have the best gold i ever had in octane. Now i really got how that works in octane. Should have known before.
But your Matrial only shows an X in the Preview of the database. Why is that with some materials? BTW i use 1.17
Also. How can i make this and other materials offline availabe. Like for example a "For me made only" database, with the materials i usw most as a jewelery render guy!
Kind regards Chris!
I found your coloured metal in the material database. It loos really amazing and now i have the best gold i ever had in octane. Now i really got how that works in octane. Should have known before.
But your Matrial only shows an X in the Preview of the database. Why is that with some materials? BTW i use 1.17
Also. How can i make this and other materials offline availabe. Like for example a "For me made only" database, with the materials i usw most as a jewelery render guy!
Kind regards Chris!
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