The new anti-piracy "illusion" and simple logic

[radiance]

Hey,

We're already said that this covers the UI / studio version only.
Future command line render farm versions obviously won't need an internet connection.

Octane Render is a young product that needs time to develop into a renderer usefull in professional VFX pipelines,
and as long as we have not arrived at that stage, it does'nt matter much as VFX studios currently don't use octane.
Our current customer base is product/architecture visualization.
We will work towards making octane VFX studio pipeline capable, and when we arrive at that point we will supply a solution that works for those types of customers,
we'd be stupid not to.

Radiance

[valentine]

Valentine, U r right about serios CG studios. I don`t like Octane connection idea. But for now, Octane is not for big commercials. It doesnt have many options to use it in serios projects and developers feel free to experiment. I think they understand, that serious work cant be online like serious money for Octane at this time. In future I hope that will be offline professional version, but for now lets stop crying and try to help Radiance to finish Octane without nerves. Lets just play with Octane as it is.

yes, in its current state, octane isn't any usable for serious projects. so yes, you are totally right about that and your conclusion

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@radiance: yes indeed, you'd surely be stupid . what you just said sounds pretty promising. and tbh: i didn't really expect anything else

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[meleseDESIGN]

Do you really?
It is definitely not common that workstations aren't connected to the internet. Even most of the big players have internet connection for their employee available just for the reason they need it as a resource.

Most studios have their render farm unplugged from the internet, that is correct.
But since Octane isn't even ready yet for a render farm it makes no sense to think about it yet - maybe later on when all the features are implemented and Octane is network ready to built a farm.

I myself have my WS unplugged from the www, to avoid security issues.
Now that I am willing to use future versions of Octane I need to search for a solution.
One answer could be that I buy Arion or come back to my old CPU renderer (which I still use anyway).
But I could also try to find a solution to secure my WS by adding a HW firewall to it, store sensitive data on an external NDAS, consult a Hacker to examine my security status. Also my router has a integrated firewall with that is possible to close/open only the ports I want. So if I know what port is needed for Octane Live I have total control in my router for that this port.
What I would like to know if Octane Live uses a secure internet connection ala SSH/SCP or a standard connection?

Otherwise Octane would be still usable, even for the semio-professional sector and definitely for hobbyists.

Looking forward to the next big thread about this topic.




Melese

i've been working in this industry for over 10 years now, working on feature films and large budget advertising campaigns. so let me tell you one thing: it's quite common that render-slaves and most workstations aren't connected to the internet at all! this is mostly exclusively due to security reasons.

[valentine]

Do you really?
It is definitely not common that workstations aren't connected to the internet. Even most of the big players have internet connection for their employee available just for the reason they need it as a resource.[...]

...hast du 'ne ahnung...

besides of that i don't understand your question, pls, read again what i actually wrote and then reconsider the usefulness of your sentence.

[meleseDESIGN]

Valentine, no worries, I surely did read your comment.
Anyways, professionell studios take care of their network, that includes internet connection as well.
Not everyone might allow their employee to use the internet on their WS, but many do.
I really do understand this paranoid thinking that some people show here, I myself am a bit paranoid too with this subject, but this is a personal problem not refractice's fault.



Melese

besides of that i don't understand your question, pls, read again what i actually wrote and then reconsider the usefulness of your sentence.

[lechu]

i've been working in this industry for over 10 years now...

Yeah right, but that doesn't really tought You any logic and manners as I can read...

EOT from me.

[arkanis]

There is an amazing tool called "Firewall".

If you are serious about your work, you have a hardware firewall, properly configured. Just open the required port for the check, close all the others and it's done, no problems with getting hacked or whatever other thing over the internet.

People complain when there is no issue.

About the 10 years issue... I know people who have been there for more than that, and they keep it more humble. This is supposed to be a professionnel forum, to discuss about features, technical points, etc... keep the whining out please. Refractive team have been very permissive till now, I would have already banned or blocked some of the things going on here, but that's just me.


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[adrencg]

Another good solution would be to charge more for the software.

1. It's worth the same amount Arion charges, and serious professionals will pay.

2. People that would pay a higher price for software aren't usually using cracked copies. So why worry about the hobbyists and hackers that play with the software with no prospect of monetary gain.

Just a general theory I have. Put your self in the mind of a software thief -- is it really the guy that's making $80k per with year high end clients? We pay lots of money for software and write it off at tax time.