Bretchts New Blender Render Design

[dave62]

i read a lot of accusations during the last half year which i cannot judge.
but i really still wonder why nostromo and brecht left rs and why the relationship with cubix broke almost the same time..

[radiant]

but i really still wonder why nostromo and brecht left rs and why the relationship with cubix broke almost the same time..

I have been thinking the same thing ever since he[nostrom] left, my first thought was because they[RS] had to move due to "someone trying to get ahold of there [RS] technologies. <<I think that is what Terrence said

EDIT:

its funny, on the new blender code website i wrote :

"Very octane-ish"

And the comment is still "waiting to be moderated"
When there are 3-4 comments below me.

[pixelrush]

RS should contact Brecht and the BF privately ahead of the release and ascertain the extent of any violation of agreements but I think they need to realise they cant have it on their own for ever.
People will do similar or even better things. Thats the nature of business and competition.
Clearly there is an untold story at the back of Brecht and Nostromo leaving. I am not sure they would have 'resigned for no reason' or permanently disappeared from the forums otherwise.
It is probably not a reasonable/rational explanation of events to imagine them as there to steal code...
Hopefully this matter can be dealt with keeping level heads.

[leandrobp]

Very sad discussion.

What about this: http://vimeo.com/14290797 ???
8 month ago.

We should say that Octane is based on SLG?

There are a lot of open sources for GPU rendering available for looong time it's nothing new.
Any legal problems with the blender community will be a big shot in the feet.

I'ts like comparing yafaray and V-Ray. Maxwell, Indigo and Lux. BI and Mental, Windows and Linux... no point here. All the windows users should thanks the linux community and all linux users should thanks for all the windows progress. This is what keep the wheel spinning. This is why we are not running DOS any more, this is why we all are using mice and not 3d programs based on formulas and command line. Fan-boys doesn't make any progress. I'm not talking about coping, I'm talking about make the things better and better.

So the Blender foundation should stop the Blender development so the commercial competitors will not have access to it's new features? The more blender features, more users, more professional blender gets, better for us. The more exigent users get. Better for all the CG community in general.

I'm very happy with that. I don't fell it's a menace for the RS. Octane has it's role and I'm confident that the developers of RS can make it better each time. Octane is a great piece of software. I only ask for you guys of RS to keep the focus in making it better instead of waste time, money and users with pointless legal issues and discussion.

What we are going to win if we prove that Brecht learned something as a RS coder? Enemies from the blender community? Hinder the incredible Blender progress and loss potential users? What we are going to win if RS keep making Octane way better than cycles?

And please, think very carefully before any charges.

Today is without any doubt a great day.

[lechu]

leandrobp: can't you just see it's not an issue of releasing another gpu based renderer, but a renderer that's very similar in its workflow to Octane?

I think it's simply unfair if Brecht just joined RS to get as much info on new algorithms as he could (being paid during that time) and left just to share someones ideas and solutions to the "community", no matter if it's Blender Foundation or Autodesk.

These are not speculations, it really looks like he did that (at current state of events) and it would be good to hear any official explanation of this by the Blender Foundation.

And sorry but if you're looking for "fanboyism" visit blendernation.com where any sound voices about something suspicious going around here, are being quenched, not published or called "conspiracy theories".

I'm Blender user but yet this whole situation really saddens me...

[Carl S.]

Wow this looks extremely suspicious. How can people let their weird "love" for Blender blind them from what is going on here. This stuff doesn't just appear like that in a few months from thin air.

[face]

Wow this looks extremely suspicious. How can people let their weird "love" for Blender blind them from what is going on here. This stuff doesn't just appear like that in a few months from thin air.

Yes, i can agree that.
But i think also, there will be many of new blender users which will see the new render capabilities.
And this new users maybe don´t know the background about the developement.

Maybe there is a chance to fire an emp on the right location

face

[leandrobp]

It's indeed unfair and ugly from Brecht part if all these charges are true. Did he really left RS and broke his contract like that?

But one never knows. I'd like to hear some official pronouncement from the parts.

I heard the same accusations on Radiance when he left Lux development. I know it's make no sense. I don't have any idea of what really happened, what ideas codes or patents are being used, but I know people are crazy to invent histories on who's making success on something. I just trust in Radiance competence and integrity (as we all can see here). And I want to trust in Brecht's and Ton's so I feel a little disappointed if these things are true.

There are a lot of fanboys at blendernation as in anywhere else. Don't worry, thankfully they aren't the people who make things (I don't even believe they use all these programs to create 3d things) and have absolutely no importance in the history.

But please, take care before creating any antipathy.

Just a Brecht's answer I found on Youtube:

Just to be clear, this does not contain any code from Octane, nor does it use any company secrets. There is plenty of code out there that does GPU ray tracing, see for example SmallLuxGPU, Brigade or Optix. I'd say the techniques are quite well documented by now, there's no magical ingredient needed.

The raytracing core is based on code released by NVidia, from the paper "Understanding the Efficiency of Ray Traversal on GPUs".

Yes, it's looking suspicious. But let's wait and keep up creating good works as artists and developers.

[Carl S.]

There are a lot of fanboys at blendernation as in anywhere else.

I just wanted to clear a little thing up. Free software brings in many more fanboy's that are ten times more fanatic than paid software does, and most of them are hobbyists or amateurs.

[radiant]

There are a lot of fanboys at blendernation as in anywhere else.

I just wanted to clear a little thing up. Free software brings in many more fanboy's that are ten times more fanatic than paid software does, and most of them are hobbyists or amateurs.

lol yes its funny on how there rebuttals are. I'm guessing somewhere between 10 and 13?