One of my first results

[suvakas]

I'm very surprised. Is this a forum full of teenagers?
Is this how you guys give feedback around here? It's a disaster to say the least.
My respect about this place just went down a notch .
Complaining about hairy legs? Are you serious? Generation used to fancy magasines full of photoshoped bodies?


@Elvissuperstar007
Saying "horror" is nowhere near constructive criticism. No offence, but it makes you look stupid.

@matej
For me your example is too stereotypical and boring. Every medium is full of stuff like that.
The image ClairObscur posted is much more interesting.

@ClairObscur
I think your image is good for 1st try. Even if the model and bg are premade models.
I'm not good at making realistic characters in 3D so I can't give you any good crits though. I'd probably work on the face a bit more. Atm it looks a bit too flat and separated from the body.
Anyway...keep doing it and ignore most of the stuff posted here.

[edit]
Took another look, maybe i'd zoom out a little and make her pose a bit more feminin. Like make her "sit down" a bit more so the back gets more straight. Atm the pose is not that elegant.


Suv

[Elvissuperstar007]

I'm very surprised. Is this a forum full of teenagers?
Is this how you guys give feedback around here? It's a disaster to say the least.
My respect about this place just went down a notch .
Complaining about hairy legs? Are you serious? Generation used to fancy magasines full of photoshoped bodies?


@Elvissuperstar007
Saying "horror" is nowhere near constructive criticism. No offence, but it makes you look stupid.

@matej
For me your example is too stereotypical and boring. Every medium is full of stuff like that.
The image ClairObscur posted is much more interesting.

@ClairObscur


I think your image is good for 1st try. Even if the model and bg are premade models.
I'm not good at making realistic characters in 3D so I can't give you any good crits though. I'd probably work on the face a bit more. Atm it looks a bit too flat and separated from the body.
Anyway...keep doing it and ignore most of the stuff posted here.

[edit]
Took another look, maybe i'd zoom out a little and make her pose a bit more feminin. Like make her "sit down" a bit more so the back gets more straight. Atm the pose is not that elegant.


Suv

I'm not a teenager, I'm already 10 years in the 3D graphics

[PolderAnimation]

Complaining about hairy legs? Are you serious? Generation used to fancy magasines full of photoshoped bodies?

I don't think it suppose to be a hairy leg. Its just a bit darker texture.

If for you, to watch a woman nude mean porn, is your point of view. A Woman can also be watched nude with respect and beauty.

I didn't mean to offend you, I just asked is it is. Also I don't find it a very respect full way of showing a woman, but that is my opinion.
I agree with most people here that the pose is a bit off. Also what is bothering me most about the hair, is that it isn't effected by gravity.
Zbrush has a very nice way of controlling hair at the moment. Maybe something to look at.

[suvakas]

I don't think it suppose to be a hairy leg. Its just a bit darker texture.

Yeah. But it's not about hairs.
It's about the manner some people comment others work.
That monkey img was very rude. Even though it's not my thread I was offended by it.

Suv

[PolderAnimation]

I don't think it suppose to be a hairy leg. Its just a bit darker texture.

Yeah. But it's not about hairs.
It's about the manner some people comment others work.
That monkey img was very rude. Even though it's not my thread I was offended by it.

Suv

ok, agreed.

[matej]

@matej
For me your example is too stereotypical and boring. Every medium is full of stuff like that.
The image ClairObscur posted is much more interesting.

Really? I would say it's the opposite - I see too much examples of things hastily thrown together without much thought on lighting, composition or context. Just take some premade models, stick them into some generic environment and call it a day. Half an hour of work, at max.

The amount of work & effort spent by the artist in my example and this one, doesn't even compare. I'm sorry if my critic is harsh, but that's how it is. This render should be in the WIP section and just the first of many shots toward a decent improvement. Start with deciding what you want to tell and how you want to tell it. Then think about composition and lighting. Then about the pose and natural expression (humans are not dolls, faces need to express thoughts & feelings). Only then start tweaking materials for realism.

The problems with this render are firstly basic and fundamental, and only secondly Octane Render specific.

And telling the guy "just ignore most of the comments" is like telling him "you don't need to improve, forget what people say". Yes, ignore the monkey and other nonconstructive things, but pay some attention to constructive critics, even if they are not pleasant to read.

[suvakas]

@matej
For me your example is too stereotypical and boring. Every medium is full of stuff like that.
The image ClairObscur posted is much more interesting.

Really? I would say it's the opposite - I see too much examples of things hastily thrown together without much thought on lighting, composition or context. Just take some premade models, stick them into some generic environment and call it a day. Half an hour of work, at max.

I didn't mean the amount of work or quality, but the idea - chick with weapons and a sports car. For me it is not a "f#$&%!! awesome female render" cause i've seen 1000's of images like this. Every 2nd game cover looks like this. But this is offtopic. For me the current image was more appealing than the one you posted. That's it. Let's forget about it. Subjective matter.

The problems with this render are firstly basic and fundamental, and only secondly Octane Render specific.

My problems weren't related to this render but how the feedback was given.

And telling the guy "just ignore most of the comments" is like telling him "you don't need to improve, forget what people say". Yes, ignore the monkey and other nonconstructive things, but pay some attention to constructive critics, even if they are not pleasant to read.

I agree, my wording was bad. Sorry about that. But I'm sure he understands what comments I meant, cause those comments can't help him to "improve".

Suv

[matej]

The example I posted is not awesome because of the background car and weapons (which are unimportant secondary things) or because she looks cool, but because of the stuff I listed: technically brilliant, great attention to details (= obviously not rushed in one afternoon), great lighting and most importantly: a human expression & posture that makes the character believable, interesting and appealing. Of course the appeal is subjective (the render might look too cliche to some people), but the artistic qualities cant be disputed much..

Commenting on this is not off-topic because all this things mentioned are IMO lacking in the OP render here. And don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to be right, I'm just explaining (this forum lacks such debates, imo) which I think are the flaws of this render (and reasons for the "funny" feedback from the first page)

[suvakas]

The example I posted is not awesome because of the background car and weapons (which are unimportant secondary things) or because she looks cool, but because of the stuff I listed: technically brilliant, great attention to details (= obviously not rushed in one afternoon), great lighting and most importantly: a human expression & posture that makes the character believable, interesting and appealing. Of course the appeal is subjective (the render might look too cliche to some people), but the artistic qualities cant be disputed much..

Commenting on this is not off-topic because all this things mentioned are IMO lacking in the OP render here. And don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to be right, I'm just explaining (this forum lacks such debates, imo) which I think are the flaws of this render (and reasons for the "funny" feedback from the first page)

I do agree with you from technical point of view (I wouldn't call it brilliant, but it's good). Don't get me wrong. For me the image you posted was just boring to look at. That's all. I probably shouldn't have posted that comment in the first place.
I opened it and saw all that "cliche" and closed it. I probably got my hopes too high and I wanted to see a bad ass image. But all this is irrelevant for the author of this topic. My personal taste of art means nothing to others so i regret that I posted my comment about it. I was on typing spree before

Daz Studio, Poser, pre made model packages - I call it "3D clipart". I know what it is and what it isn't. The points you mentioned are all valid.

..flaws of this render (and reasons for the "funny" feedback from the first page)

There are no such flaws with this img that deserve such offencive comments. I don't remember I've read such unpolite answers before in any 3D forum.


Suv

[ClairObscur]

When i posted my render, i wasn't pretending to make THE BEST thing.

I do not have 10 years of 3D knowledge and i am exploring the 3D world for about a year only. English isnt my native language and sometime i am lost in the program, but i learn and i am patient, with my basic config ( i will probably buy a GTX 6xx for chrismas.. hehe ).

I just hoped, to can have here some constructive critism. But that finaly happen ! Thx you

Refracty, i share my creation in DeviantArt where i have lot of people who like and appreciate what i do. And somes is a womans. We all have differents taste of the beauty and artistic nude. She have legs open ? she have porn suggestion ? no. After that, i can hear that do not please to somes peoples.

Also, in a Official forum, a moderator would be nice sometime, to not feel we are in a dog arena where some like just to come and say an unrespecfull things (to be polite ) to a new member, just because he have 10 years of experiences in 3D. RESPECT, POLITE is something good to learn too.

Thx you for somes members who have a intelligence to say a constructive comments.

Sincerly,

C.O