OctaneRender™ Standalone 3.08 TEST 6 Tweet

[renderingz]

Notiusweb in 2050 with his grankids waiting for octane 4;

Otoy - keep on rocking with the great approach and product you have always given us!
I remember looking forward to 3.0, it was very exciting, and now even more so as things get closer to V4.
Looking forward to the great things coming our way.

in the meantime

https://twitter.com/Pgoski/status/952937511860482050

https://twitter.com/albertomoss/status/ ... 3271091200

plenty more like this... but yeah keep up the 'great approach'!

[leehenshall]

Some info here about a potential imminent release.

viewtopic.php?f=85&t=64382&p=331331#p331331

[Notiusweb]

I'm going to outright ask this.
Why in the F*&# do people keep evoking Redshift as this amazing renderer that tops Octane?

I looked back at an earlier post I had written on the subject:

I will comment on Redshift, as they have a free demo.
Hmmmm...Where do I start....

1) They don't have a core application, or at least it's not very clear that they do have one? It only exists as a plugin, for apps that Octane has plugins for......+1 Octane...scratch that, +20 Octane
2) You always see mini res renders online....Look how fast Redshift is!...Right?.....RIGHT!!???......WRONG....1080p is slow, not any advancement that I can tell vs Octane...Faster, NO....+1 Octane
3) Stability...all the thing does is kick back notifications on "this material has this problem, that material has this problem....", for what seems like no reason. STFU! With Octane, it just renders and keeps its mouth shut!...+1 Octane
4) Setting up lighting takes multiple steps, like Octane. But if coming from Octane, this just means added work, for no reason, as there is really no benefit...."Brute Force"! I love that name, though....but, still....+1 Octane

5) This...THIS is my favorite of all...
But in Redshift you can use any amount of GPU's....right?...RIGHT!!!???
WRONG..
8 per session...
But you can stack sessions, right? That's like saying Titan Z (2 x 6GB VRAM) is just like Titan X (12GB VRAM)......
...NO

In a word, RedShift is BullShift, minus the "f"....
Octane buries that piece of garbage...Try it...then please, give me a break....!

Did something new come out, does it have some abilities that Octane lacks?
What are they?
Just what in the F&^% are they!?

[renderingz]

Yeah I guess all these industry veterans are just noobs.

You asked for it

Major renderfarm support

Single license gives access to plugins across all available DCCs

Out for core geo (no gpu ram limit)

actual working round corners

view dependant LOD displacement tesselation

https://twitter.com/PolygonSandwich/sta ... 1417939968

https://twitter.com/PolygonSandwich/sta ... 9423514624

https://twitter.com/PolygonSandwich/sta ... 5357770752

Developers that engage with the community and put out builds on a weekly or shorter basis

These are just a few off the top of my head.

I personally think redshift looks garbage, but feel like I'm gonna have to be forced to switch.

Competition is good by the way.

[Notiusweb]

Yeah I guess all these industry veterans are just noobs.

I personally think redshift looks garbage...

Competition is good by the way.

For me, the most competitive thing Octane continually does, over time, is innovate new ways to render.
I haven't seen a better bridge for a renderer between standalone and plugins, opens up so many possibilities.
This approach to me makes them the premiere rendering toolset.
I agree rendering accuracy by the engine is crucial to the product's worth.


We are the industry veterans, and we use Octane.

[khdownes]

I've had to use Redshift for the last few month (just because the company I'm working for uses it), and I actually really hate using it compared to octane.

The one main selling point that I've heard from people is that Octane is really unstable, while redshift is rock solid and memory efficient.
I have no idea where this impression came from because I had to upgrade to 64gb of ram just to get redshift maya to start without eating all the ram and crashing my PC. And I can't get the IPR to run for longer than 5 or 6 minutes without crashing C4D. Dropping down to one GPU has made it slightly more stable.
And the IPR viewer is WAY less responsive and stable than octane (and SLOW, and often keeps restarting render even when you don't touch anything, so it's hard to get a cleared up view of what you're doing). I feel like my workflow has slowed down back to what it was like using vray or standard render, where you'd make a minor change, wait 5 minutes to see if there's a difference, make another minor change etc. Basically defeats the purpose of being a fast/responsive GPU renderer.


Octane by comparison absolutely blows it away on those front; fast and responsive and, by comparison, stable/doesn't crash very often unless you're throwing lots of 8k displacement maps at it and constantly shifting/changing them with the Liveviewer running/trying to keep up.

But the one thing MAJOR thing that octane is missing, and I think is most peoples gripe with it as a production renderer, is light linking, including/excluding objects from a lights, and excluding objects from reflections/refractions/casting shadows.
That's a MASSIVE oversight in my opinion. I need to do that in almost every project I work on, and end up having to find a work around in octane, or have to do two different renders and combine them with mattes. And it's something that doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to implement in an unbiased renderer (I'm no software engineer though).

Also redshift is nice that you can build and combine multiple different materials entirely within a single materials shader graph, whereas in Octane C4D you have to make separate materials then use a third mix material to combine them, and very quickly your project become really messy and unmanageable because you have so many materials all linking back and forward to each other. (and you have to do that a lot since you can't have both subsurface scattering, and glossy reflections in the one octane material).

[Goldorak]

This is the roadmap that was recently discussed by Jules on a brograph podcast - no idea why we don't have this kind of information post on the forums but whatever;

Octane Roadmap:
3.08: Major update is OSL (Open Shading Language) shaders, final test build should be ready by next week (Week 7)
3.09: Mostly about AI denoiser, can reduce 20,000 samples to just 200 samples in a best-case scenario; beta in users' hands by February. The denoiser has access to Octane buffers even before going out to the render passes; can check for material roughness, subpixel arrangement, etc., to incorporate all the relevant data into the denoising algorithm
3.10: Minor release, mainly bug fixes
V4 = Octane merged with Brigade (game engine API) scene graph, "load times just go away", preview/announcement at GTC. "I don't want Octane to be anything but unbiased -- -- but if we were to look at biased rendering at all, it's all about real-time, 120 FPS in VR. With V4, you do have the ability to do RT dynamic stuff."

The next 3.08 build coming out shortly has most of the planned 3.09 feature development added to it (short of the AI denoiser) - including volumetric AOVs, Volta support, final improvements to new material (sheen, 3 channels for IOR etc.).

The Denoiser is experimental (and needs 200 MB deep learning DLL at the moment), and we felt it best to get as many of the other features planned for 3.09 into the 3.08 stable release that before rolling this out.

[milanm]

@khdownes

Totally agree with you.

But IMHO, in Octane, even workarounds are more fun than Redshift

Two area lights + two HDR maps affecting two different materials live in C4DOctane 3.07 LiveViewer. Plus ability to crossfade between the two. Available as a separate 'take' in the take system. No OSL here.



Regards
Milan

[MildMustard]

I don't know what you guys were testing with Redshift, but comparing Octane Interior and Redshift... I am able to do a 3000x2000 render CLEAN within 4 to 9min so far. (Bucket Mode) I don't care that it cheats, time is money I am very eagerly awaiting denoiser in octane to see quality and how quickly it performs, because I do prefer Octane... but I can't deny Redshift speeds any longer.

[Elvissuperstar007]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4WFxsKt6d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vn8RYDsb6U
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