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Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:10 pm
by Refracty
The overal texture scale and materials are very good.
The gray blanket needs more work. Or try to leave the bed without the gray blanket on top.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:14 pm
by hadouken
Nice first first render. I agree that you should work on materials a bit. Apart from that, the DOF is too strong and makes the scale look macro, like a toy. Tone it down for more realism.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:50 pm
by jp_vas
hi hadouken, what do you mean with tone it down? thx.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:00 pm
by [gk]
Your image gets this effect.
Normal sized scene tilshiftet down to dollhouse look. So make sure you dont have any noticable focus.
This has a proper amount of focus

Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:27 am
by jp_vas
Here is an improved scene i think... what do you think.
I rendered the image with Path tracing, it took 8 hours and was still noisy... i think 8 hours is too much... what do you guys think?, i will render the scene without the curtains to check if its faster.
i rendered the image 6472x4000, reduced noise with neat image and downscaled it to final resolution 1618x1000.
this time i used 16 depth with PT.
what would you recomend... do you think its finished?
thx for your time
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:55 am
by Refracty
[gk] wrote:Normal sized scene tilshiftet down to dollhouse look. So make sure you dont have any noticable focus.
This has a proper amount of focus
It is still propper to have some amount of depth of field in your shot.
When you take apperture 1.0 - 1.4 you will have stronger blur out of the focus area even with a 35mm lens.
I don't like it when images are too sharp (overall) but many architects want "sharp" images and straight lines

For me this is a creative constraint to see it as a must.
I recommend to have a little bit of blur in the unfocussed areas visible.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:09 am
by telemmaite
Nice image. I will go with PMC + portals because of the curtains. PMC should be a lot better than Pathtracing when we have trouble illumination. Also the floor i dont like the bump. I would model separate planks with a little bevel at the edges or i will make that bump edge between planks sharper and thinner.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:18 pm
by jp_vas
will render the scene again with PMC+Portals to see if there is a time/quality improvement.
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:22 pm
by [gk]
Refracty wrote:[gk] wrote:Normal sized scene tilshiftet down to dollhouse look. So make sure you dont have any noticable focus.
This has a proper amount of focus
It is still propper to have some amount of depth of field in your shot.
When you take apperture 1.0 - 1.4 you will have stronger blur out of the focus area even with a 35mm lens.
I don't like it when images are too sharp (overall) but many architects want "sharp" images and straight lines

For me this is a creative constraint to see it as a must.
I recommend to have a little bit of blur in the unfocussed areas visible.
His camera is wide angle, the more wide an angle is the more is in focus. For interiors you typically let it bake a little longer on the exposure which further reduces blur.
His last image looks a bit better.
Its the laws of physics, you cannot have a superwide angle and very narrow depth of field.
yes in cg its possible but it will look like crap and be nothing a real camera can do thus breaking the realistic playground one otherwise try to stride for...
on a second note you image is heavily underexposed.
see attached for illustration.
If you expose to the right you also get rid of noise in the "floor" of the image, not the actual floor but the pixels that stays close to black. in real life shooting with expose to the right principle you make sure you get the least amount of noise with the largest Dynamic range available.
You can see only the very top of the highlights are up but they are clamping, so better get back to the workbench and mess with it ( id surgest to pull some white from the curtains for starters )
Re: Bedroom scene (First render) Advices please.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:05 pm
by patryn
thanks for the advice . there is anyway to make histogram in directlight render to adjust level for a pmc rendering to follow ? do the light behavior is homogeneous between DL and PMC / PT ?