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Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:20 am**

Just been trying the backdrop and the object motion blur, which I think are the two major added features since I last updated. Both work very well, very easy to use and spectacular results. Great work, Sighman!

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:50 pm**

Guessing this may just be me getting this, but after updating to latest test I see this issue in my log window

This is with the default poser/daz shaders, if I untick pause then the

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Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused

error goes away

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[16:40:39.163]             Started logging on 10.12.14 16:40:39
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[16:40:39.163]             Flag                      Type    Value      Prefix     Description
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[16:40:39.163]             apiChangeMgr              release 0          "apiChngMgr" Logs ApiChangeManager::update().
[16:40:39.163]             apiNetwork                release 0          "apiNetwork" Logs all important calls into ApiNetRenderManager
[16:40:39.163]             apiNodeSystem             release 0          "apiNodeSys" Logs all write operations in the API node system.
[16:40:39.163]             apiProject                release 0          "apiProject" Logs all important calls into ApiProjectManager.
[16:40:39.163]             apiRender                 release 0          "apiRender" Logs all important calls into ApiRenderEngine.
[16:40:39.163]             cudaProf                  release 0          "cudaProf" Enables general logging of CUDA profiling.
[16:40:39.163]             cudaProfDetail            release 0          "cudaProf" Enables logging of single CUDA activity records.
[16:40:39.163]             daemon                    release 0          "network"  Not used.
[16:40:39.163]             heartbeat                 release 0          "network"  Enables logging of the network rendering heartbeat.
[16:40:39.163]             logAppendToFile           release 0          ""         If enabled, logging will be to the already existing log file appended
[16:40:39.163]             logFlags                  release 1          ""         If enabled, all log flags will be dumped during startup
[16:40:39.163]             logFlushTime              release 0          ""         The time (ms) after which the log is flushed. If set to 0, the timer based flush will be disabled.
[16:40:39.163]             logForceFlush             release 0          ""         If enabled, every logged line will be flushed
[16:40:39.163]             logJuce                   release 0          "JUCE"     If enabled, JUCE logging will go through the logging framework of Octane
[16:40:39.163]             logPrefix                 release 1          ""         If enabled, each log line will have a prefix
[16:40:39.163]             logTime                   release 1          ""         If enabled, each log line will have a timestamp
[16:40:39.163]             logToDebugConsole         release 0          ""         If enabled, logging will go to the debug console (Windows only)
[16:40:39.163]             logToFile                 release 0          ""         If enabled, logging will go to a log file
[16:40:39.163]             logToStdout               release 0          ""         If enabled, logging will go to standard out
[16:40:39.163]             netRender                 release 0          "netRender" General logging of network rendering
[16:40:39.163]             stats                     release 0          "stats"    Enables logging of the statistics
[16:40:39.163]             subdivider                release 0          "subdivider" logs info about the subdivision process
[16:40:39.163]             
[16:40:39.163]             OctaneRender version 2.14 (2140000)
[16:40:39.163]             
[16:40:52.532]             Scene contents: 41 primitives, 1 cameras, 0 lights, 41 master objects, 110 master shaders
[16:41:10.383] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.385] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.386] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.389] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.391] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.393] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.395] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.397] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.399] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.401] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.402] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.405] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.407] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.410] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.411] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:10.421] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:10.426] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.428] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:10.431] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.434] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.436] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.438] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.440] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.441] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.443] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.446] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.448] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:10.449] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:13.141] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:13.150] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.152] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:13.162] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.164] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.166] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.168] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.170] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
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[16:41:13.175] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.177] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.178] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.181] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.182] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.
[16:41:13.185] ERROR     : Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused.

If I change the shaders to Octane native then I get the error below and it will not render

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[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access null node
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access pin via an invalid ID P_MESH (103)
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access null node pin
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Can't connect node 'Geometry Out' (NT_OUT_GEOMETRY, 0000000096C2A180) to static pin 'unknown' (P_UNKNOWN, type PT_UNKNOWN) of node '' (NT_UNKNOWN, 0000000009385380)

The products used are GIS_Terminal and V4, I can un-install the test version of the plugin and re-install it or provide the log and scene file if you like.

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:24 pm**

I don't know if this is your issue but did you remember to update your graphics card driver to the latest version, as it needs this to work properly. This is mentioned on the download page but it is possible to miss it.

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:44 pm**

Guess I should have added that before but forgot.

I am using

Version: 344.75 WHQL
Release Date: 2014.11.18

on a GeForce 770 on a Windows 8.1 x64 machine, Octane and the plugin were install on a clean system

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:37 pm**

That sounds like the right version - looks like you may have to wait for Sighman to respond.

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:27 pm**

ArtistX1 wrote:Guessing this may just be me getting this, but after updating to latest test I see this issue in my log window

This is with the default poser/daz shaders, if I untick pause then the
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Could not pick materials, because the geometry has changed and rendering is paused
error goes away

You can ignore the picker errors, I'll try and suppress them but it just means you are moving the mouse over the ViewPort while Paused.

ArtistX1 wrote: If I change the shaders to Octane native then I get the error below and it will not render
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[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access null node
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access pin via an invalid ID P_MESH (103)
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Tried to access null node pin
[16:42:02.108] ERROR     : Can't connect node 'Geometry Out' (NT_OUT_GEOMETRY, 0000000096C2A180) to static pin 'unknown' (P_UNKNOWN, type PT_UNKNOWN) of node '' (NT_UNKNOWN, 0000000009385380)
The products used are GIS_Terminal and V4, I can un-install the test version of the plugin and re-install it or provide the log and scene file if you like.

That looks much more serious. I have those models so I will try and reproduce the problem. When you say 'I change the shaders to Octane native' what exactly are you doing. Are you using 'Set Octane Material' from the Edit Menu or are you changing the shader in the material room? If you are changing the shader in the material room, what is the shader and shader type that you are changing. A before and after screen shot of the shader tree would be nice.

Posted: **Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:29 pm**

I am using the option - Set Octane Material' from the Edit Menu - I will try and test with some other scenes I know have worked in the past and will post back in the morning

Posted: **Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:35 am**

ArtistX1 wrote:I am using the option - Set Octane Material' from the Edit Menu - I will try and test with some other scenes I know have worked in the past and will post back in the morning

Ok, so I loaded your scene and tried converting both the GIS textures and the V4 textures. I did not get the error you are seeing. What exactly did you have selected when you converted the materials? How did you select the object that you wanted to convert (selected through the assembly room viewport or via the tree view?)

Posted: **Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:57 am**

I click on the item in the tree view then go to the edit menu, I am going to try a few other scenes and see what happens, I am thinking it is something my end as no one else has reported the same issue.

edit: seeing as I have had coffee and am more alert now, these are the steps that I do to get the issue to appear time after time, on the current scene that is

load items,
open plugin,
do a quick render (doesnt matter how long),
stop it,
select items in tree view,
convert to octane materials,
rebuild scene in plugin,
try to do another render

This is using Carrara 8.5, wonder if I should try it on 8.1

edit 2: something I forgot to add is that I am using default V4 shader, and on a clean scene it is giving the error only AFTER i convert the default V4 shaders to Octane.

edit 3: Definitely something to do with V4, if I put any shader on her from my content and try to re-render, I get that issue.

I will un-install and re-install the plugin and try with C8.1

Edit 4: doing it with Stable version as well, but only on that scene, older scenes are rendering fine - so atm I am at a loss, only other thing I can think of is 8.1

Posted: **Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:07 pm**

ArtistX1 wrote:
load items,
open plugin,
do a quick render (doesnt matter how long),
stop it,
select items in tree view,
convert to octane materials,
rebuild scene in plugin,
try to do another render

Ok, I can reproduce the issue with this workflow. For now, hit pause/resume or close the Octane Viewport instead of stop/reload. I'll try to get this fixed in the next release.

As a general note, you don't normally need to reload the scene after making changes. Most people just let Octane run while making changes. The plugin will pick up the changes and apply them right away. If this becomes too sluggish then Pause the render, make your changes, resume. Avoid Stop for now and only use Reload if there is a synchronization issue. Also, please report any synchronization issue so I can investigate the cause.

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