1080 Ti and Octane Tweet

[itou31]

Hi,
with a gamer friend with a 1080ti we test a fast scene in PT (a character with SSS skin and HDRI and 2 lights blackbody emitter) :
980Ti : 1 min 20
1080 : 1 min 30
1080ti : 1 min 01

So 980ti is still the speed beast for the price/performance ratio today or not ?

[acc24ex]

Hi,
with a gamer friend with a 1080ti we test a fast scene in PT (a character with SSS skin and HDRI and 2 lights blackbody emitter) :
980Ti : 1 min 20
1080 : 1 min 30
1080ti : 1 min 01

So 980ti is still the speed beast for the price/performance ratio today or not ?

So funny - after all the crazy "waiting" and excitement about the new 1080ti - we're gonna determine that 980ti is still the best/cost effective thing to go around..
yeah, if it was at least 200% performance boost, it would be obviously a great idea, but at a 30% it's not something you will actually notice by that much..

- OK, now let's wait for 1180ti - that one will get another 30% boost, that one might be the one , in say about 1-2 years? Or a 1080ti Z (two gpus) - I'd def buy that, if it's not 300% more expensive..

- again, going from 590 to 1080ti, it's almost a 200% speed boost - in 5 years.. actually the whole cpu/gpu speeds have such a slow growth.. it's all about power usage now (or memory upgrades)
...can you feel it, technology is reaching it's top, I think because 90% of people don't need the speed boosts, gamers are the only other power hungry users, and we wouldn't even have the gpu tech we have now if it wasn't for gamers wanting faster and better

..anyway I'm going back to rendering, I think I might get the 1070 or someone might sell a cheap 980ti

[glimpse]

Why are You comparing 590 to 1080Ti? it's not about speed, but also value.

* 1080Ti has more than 7 times amount of usable VRAM;
(& if You do not need vram, don't buy it)
* 1080Ti uses less power & generate way less heat/noise;
(& that's important for some, especially those who are putting 4 or 7 or more of those in a single box)

1080Ti (11GB) is a bargain for 700$ when You keep in mind:
* that TitanX (12GB) Pascal 1200$,
* TitanX Maxwell was ~1000$,
* TitanZ (2x6GB) that offered the same speed was 3000$.
* 980Ti (6GB) was 649$

* MSRP of 590 6 years ago was 699$ & when You get twice the performance, way less power usage, more than 7x of usable vram, less heat, less noise & all the other features..I do not see how would anyone could be sad about this =)

[rappet]

...
yeah, if it was at least 200% performance boost, it would be obviously a great idea, but at a 30% it's not something you will actually notice by that much..

- OK, now let's wait for 1180ti - that one will get another 30% boost, that one might be the one , in say about 1-2 years? Or a 1080ti Z (two gpus) - I'd def buy that, if it's not 300% more expensive..

- again, going from 590 to 1080ti, it's almost a 200% speed boost - in 5 years.. actually the whole cpu/gpu speeds have such a slow growth.. it's all about power usage now (or memory upgrades)
...can you feel it, technology is reaching it's top, I think because 90% of people don't need the speed boosts, gamers are the only other power hungry users, and we wouldn't even have the gpu tech we have now if it wasn't for gamers wanting faster and better
...

hi,

Yes, I agree on most stuff... and yes, thanx to the gamers all over the world... thanx to those millions we have outr fun.
about slowgrowth is also about perspective.. when doing some math here, the 1080Ti would give about 160 on OctaneBenchscore, right?
Compared to the 700 serie (780Ti Titan Black) that is about 60% gain in less then three years. ANd as you say 200% gain in five years.
While the CPU does not gained much, especially looking at singlethread perfomance.. the 5930K gives me around 4,8 Turboboost gHZ and the 7700K 5.0 Turboboost. CPU progress has mostly been achieved by adding cores, and not in performance for just the one core.
So in that perspective the GPU development is doing a much better job. And the VRAM has gained a lot from 3 to 12 gb, thas is 400% in relative short time.
And luckely for us Nvidia is still having a bit of competition (no maybe by Vega), otherwise Nividia would even play more slowgain, but that is another story.. and that also goes for Intel ofcourse.. luckely with Ryzen ther is another push of not stay on the slowgrowth path, but that is also another story.

I think the GPU is not doing slowgrowth, but making lot of big steps, but for us Renderspeedfans.. it is never fast and big enough and it will be a slowgrowth forever I guess... everything is not enough

I want to remark though that I found it very silent about Otoy and optimizing the Pascal.. I wished that would be provide us a performance boost... or did I miss some threads about this. Is it already maximum optimnizaed or can we still expect better performance of Pascal cards?

greetz,

[acc24ex]

Why are You comparing 590 to 1080Ti? it's not about speed, but also value.

* 1080Ti has more than 7 times amount of usable VRAM;
(& if You do not need vram, don't buy it)
* 1080Ti uses less power & generate way less heat/noise;
(& that's important for some, especially those who are putting 4 or 7 or more of those in a single box)

1080Ti (11GB) is a bargain for 700$ when You keep in mind:
* that TitanX (12GB) Pascal 1200$,
* TitanX Maxwell was ~1000$,
* TitanZ (2x6GB) that offered the same speed was 3000$.
* 980Ti (6GB) was 649$

* MSRP of 590 6 years ago was 699$ & when You get twice the performance, way less power usage, more than 7x of usable vram, less heat, less noise & all the other features..I do not see how would anyone could be sad about this =)

5 years old tech is still comparable to today's, that never happened before - 5 years old pc was a shitbox, today, it's a competitive good machine if it still runs.. mine is from 2010, it still compares well with my office pc which had the latest shizz on it begining 2016.

- I do need more vram - but we wouldn't need vram at all if motherboard manufacturers start to make the pci bus as fast as RAM bus.. nothing happened there in the last 10 years probably - pci is still pretty slow

- yeah power output is OK, but I laugh at it, as I'd rather add 5 huge fans and get more performance - if you ask me.. I would like less power usage and faster, not just less power usage, it's just disappointing .. still, it's a big issue when you cram 3 or more gpus one next to each other..
- also a big improvement would be if we started to see a single slot GPUs..

.. also for some reason this same 1080ti costs more than 1000$ in my country.. why the hell, don't know, but I guess I'll stick to 1070 or 980ti, after all the exciting news, and after seeing all the data, it's actually not that exciting - I just know I wouldn't notice a huge difference.. even 980ti vs 1080 now shows 1080 is actually slower..

- yeah the real exciting thing now is ryzen, since the benchmarks show the same performace to intel pure 8 core cpus for half the price - this hasn't happened in years - feels like there's gonna be a push somewhere... but development definetely slowed down by half at least ..

- people are satisfied with their laptops - everyone is doing pro work on laptops, professional heavy cad software runs on laptops, no prob.. so apparently, we are heavily on the niche here
.. gpu tech sounded nice and when we watched those cuda core rises we all though it was gonna be 3-5 times faster by now.. but it's been like 2-3..

- nvidia 5xx gtx series, and i7 CPUs and SSD tech have made a revolution when they came out - I didn't notice a new one of those

- what we obviously have to learn is that it's never gonna become realtime fast.. (or in 15-20 years) - so I'm excited for 2030 tech, but this thing right now has been pretty much similar for the past 7 years - really .. (only with lower temps).. so do the best with what you got (don't get ovehyped with every new thing)

[rappet]

- so I'm excited for 2030 tech, but this thing right now has been pretty much similar for the past 7 years - really .. (only with lower temps).. so do the best with what you got (don't get ovehyped with every new thing)

Oh no, not untill 2030.. we are not that patient
let us be optimistic and target on 2020... In this decade your quiet 7 years will followed up with an end sprint of the next three years.
I rather speak with you in three years to see were we stand then wait till 2030 and then have to figure out first if the world is still turning

[itou31]

So just get 2 x 980Ti as many gamers sell them for a 1080ti.

[enigmasi]

1080 Ti is 2 times faster than 1070 for 4K gaming but how's it for Octane comparing to 2x 1070?

[rappet]

1080 Ti is 2 times faster than 1070 for 4K gaming but how's it for Octane comparing to 2x 1070?

Not only speed can be the argument, but also the fact that you have only one card (with 1080Ti) installed compared to 2 cards gives you better options for future upgrade by adding another GPU iostead of needing to replace.
cheers,

[enigmasi]

1080 Ti is 2 times faster than 1070 for 4K gaming but how's it for Octane comparing to 2x 1070?

Not only speed can be the argument, but also the fact that you have only one card (with 1080Ti) installed compared to 2 cards gives you better options for future upgrade by adding another GPU iostead of needing to replace.
cheers,

sure, if it has similar speed then better to have 2x 1080 Ti instead of 4 or 3 1070