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As I walk the uncanny valley of the shadow of death
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:49 pm
by Gineus
These are my efforts so far, which are somehow presentable.
Hare Krishna Model
The dscs315_3.
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:56 pm
by Gineus
Hare Krishna is a joke btw
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:59 pm
by colorlabs
The skin looks pretty good, if a little sweaty (especially on the faces). Any tips for getting good skin material? So far most humans posted on these forums look like sex dolls or wax sculptures...
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:30 pm
by radiance
The uncanny vally effect is definately true for these images,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Radiance
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:24 am
by Carl S.
It is true with all poser and daz stuff.
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:38 am
by Gineus
colorlabs wrote:The skin looks pretty good, if a little sweaty (especially on the faces). Any tips for getting good skin material? So far most humans posted on these forums look like sex dolls or wax sculptures...
Well it is at a warm lake location.
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:56 am
by Gineus
Well less realistic is certainly more successful on DA
Re: Nudity:My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:55 am
by Gineus
Thanks didn't know that effect. I wasn't aware that more realism was a bad thing with humans. When I watched Beowulf I was amazed at the work and the effort. I didn't watch the others as they were too cheesy for me.
Re: My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:02 am
by tehfailsafe
I think the idea is that if it looks between say 70% and 90% photoreal it looks even more "not quite right". If it's less than 70% realistic (stuff animals, video games, etc) we can ignore the lack of detail/realism because it's more obvious that it is a fake. However when you get close to realistic, but not quite there humans actually think it looks worse than the ones that are more fake... But if you can get above that 90%, like you said in Beowulf, humans LOVE it.
It does make sense. In the "valley" area we can tell it's a fake but it's close enough to real that we focus on the things that are wrong. Before the valley area we have an easier time ignoring it, like in cartoons. And overall it's can look creepy!
As for your image, I think the materials are very close. It looks a little "shiny", like shes sweating or something, but the beads of sweat aren't actually there. Also, the overall effect would be MUCH stronger if she wasn't perfectly symmetrical and staring so blankly straight at the camera with no mouth tension... Adding some life in the face (hard to do, lol) would really pull the whole thing up better!
Re: My efforts on DAZ Stephanie
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:04 am
by Gineus
I hopefully understood the idea.
I made a test too with the LiveDB skin. Looks more like a make up accident. I tried to give it some definition too (in a seperate test) with the bump and spec map but that looked worse.
I also had a face movement model in the original thing, with essentially the same data, but I didn't really like it.
But I see everyone expects then something different at 90%. I would not expect pearls of sweat. And an oily film is also common. I don't think sss is everything
. Maybe with dry skin.
If you have a photorealistic renderer it's well worth discussing how to get the rest percentage
I think the Daz textures are probably well to idealistic. Maybe real world people would be better.