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object based material changes

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:36 am
by four18arch
Is there a way in the Revit plugin to assign a material to a specific object within the file separate to the Revit designation.
For example, if we have 4 doors within an elevation that all need to be different colours is it possible to change the colour of the door without having to change the material designation in Revit

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:37 am
by face_off
I don't think this is possible - since the door polygons will all be tagged with the same material name. You will need to assign different materials to each of the doors.

Paul

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:15 pm
by four18arch
Thanks Paul

We have found a work around.
For others with the same issue who do not want to be creating new families for each door panel finish:
We have set an instance material parameter within Revit for the door panel. Door Panel colours are set within the Revit materials tab. We are then able to provide a different panel colour / finish to each door as required which is reflected, and can be adjusted, in the Octane view.

Darren

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:33 pm
by face_off
Nice solution. Thanks for sharing Darren.

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:55 am
by prehabitat
four18arch wrote:Thanks Paul

We have found a work around.
For others with the same issue who do not want to be creating new families for each door panel finish:
We have set an instance material parameter within Revit for the door panel. Door Panel colours are set within the Revit materials tab. We are then able to provide a different panel colour / finish to each door as required which is reflected, and can be adjusted, in the Octane view.

Darren

Just to clarify,

You set a different material to the instance parameter of each door and therefore octane plugin can assign an octane material to each of those revit materials? Or
The same material within the instance parameter for all doors and just the fact that it's instance parameter means octane plugin can assign a different octane material go each door?

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:27 am
by four18arch
Octane picks up the material association to the parameter.
If the majority of doors are a single material / colour this will be the default material for that parameter.
For each door that is a different colour / material you will need to modify the instance parameter material for that particular door.

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:02 am
by face_off
you will need to modify the instance parameter material for that particular door.
How do you do this pls?

Paul

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:30 am
by Seekerfinder
face_off wrote:
you will need to modify the instance parameter material for that particular door.
How do you do this pls?

Paul
Hi Paul,
It's a Revit family feature. instance parameters in Revit's family editor could be created for various attributes, including a piece of geometry's material. That way the user could change materials for each instance of the family within Revit - same family, different materials on the fly.
Best,
Seeker

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:04 pm
by prehabitat
Seekerfinder wrote:
face_off wrote:
you will need to modify the instance parameter material for that particular door.
How do you do this pls?

Paul
Hi Paul,
It's a Revit family feature. instance parameters in Revit's family editor could be created for various attributes, including a piece of geometry's material. That way the user could change materials for each instance of the family within Revit - same family, different materials on the fly.
Best,
Seeker
But you would still need to add enough materials to the project if only as placeholders to assign your desired octane materials.

Type, instance or different family (name) altogether... I guess I'm still hoping for the plugin to some day simplify revit's horribly in intuitive way it handles materials.

Don't get me wrong, I love applying a BIM methodology to design and that everything is a 'something'. But early in a project it would be nice to just model it, drag material into things and make it look pretty. The exactness and 3-4 deep menu to assign & manage materials in Revit does my head in...
Prob my fault for not setting up a fat template of materials which have pre-tweaked octane materials 'default'ed to them.

Re: object based material changes

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:34 pm
by Seekerfinder
prehabitat wrote:Prob my fault for not setting up a fat template of materials which have pre-tweaked octane materials 'default'ed to them.
Yep, this is the key. Standardizing them throughout your office another challenge.