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Hi, i have an issue with 2.6 and 2.6.1 with C4D R16, i' ve tryed reinstalling it but it won' t solve, an error showed up after loading an HDRI image into the octane sky tag, and i don' t have touched the pc for two weeks! Ther error is this
i open the Log and what' s inside is this (i have two gigabyte gtx980):

Started logging on 07.01.15 10:44:08

OctaneRender version 2.16 (2160000)

Tried to access attribute via invalid ID A_ALLOW_STATISTICS_COLLECTION (10)
FileName::toJuceFile() can be called only on absolute file names
--------------------------- EXPORT LOG ---------------------------
Export materials time= 0.068 ms
Collect objects time= 0.019 ms
Meshes creation time = 1.755 ms
Octane voxelization time = 0.003 ms
Sending to Octane engine time = 0.243 ms
Total export Time = 244.843 ms
FileName::toJuceFile() can be called only on absolute file names
FileName::toJuceFile() can be called only on absolute file names
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to copy 2D array to device
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to copy memory to device.
device 0: failed to upload data texture 10 of context 0
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to copy 2D array to device
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to copy memory to device.
device 1: failed to upload data texture 10 of context 0
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
<<< Render Failure >>>
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 0: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to unload module
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device array
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to deallocate device memory
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> could not get memory info
CUDA error 719 on device 1: An exception occurred on the device while executing a kernel. The context cannot be used anymore and must be destroyed. All existing device memory allocations from this context are invalid and must be reconstructed.
-> failed to unload module
Can't Read Preset File: C:\Program Files\MAXON\CINEMA 4D R16\plugins\c4doctanepresets.dat
Can't Read Preset File: C:\Program Files\MAXON\CINEMA 4D R16\plugins\c4doctanepresets.dat

it's not a issue to solve. Be aware of available memory and free memory of gpus. Big hdrs, textures takes more ram.
What do you see on scree info about memory?

aoktar wrote:it's not a issue to solve. Be aware of available memory and free memory of gpus. Big hdrs, textures takes more ram.
What do you see on scree info about memory?

It' s impossible, i have two gigabyte GTX980 with 4gb each, octane shows me 4gb available but when i loadup an hdri with the octane Hdri enviroment tag it doesn' t show me the informations because the render doesn' t have the chance to start because of the error in the image, it happens only with HDRI format, if i use a jpeg (useless but i tryed) nothing wrong

What's the dimensions of hdri? What's the nvidia driver? Anyway show me a screen with onscreen infos while jpeg loaded. This output doesn't shows why happens.

aoktar wrote:What's the dimensions of hdri? What's the nvidia driver? Anyway show me a screen with onscreen infos while jpeg loaded. This output doesn't shows why happens.

HDRI's over the size of 25mb won' t work and i don' t know why, the nvidia driver is the 347.09WHQL, excuse me, what onscreen infos do you mean?

sirkaoselite wrote:

aoktar wrote:What's the dimensions of hdri? What's the nvidia driver? Anyway show me a screen with onscreen infos while jpeg loaded. This output doesn't shows why happens.

HDRI's over the size of 25mb won' t work and i don' t know why, the nvidia driver is the 347.09WHQL, excuse me, what onscreen infos do you mean?

Yes, they should work. I guess you are using the demo version 2.16. Could you maybe explain the set up you are using and send us the HDR you want to use? Thanks.

abstrax wrote:

sirkaoselite wrote:

aoktar wrote:What's the dimensions of hdri? What's the nvidia driver? Anyway show me a screen with onscreen infos while jpeg loaded. This output doesn't shows why happens.

HDRI's over the size of 25mb won' t work and i don' t know why, the nvidia driver is the 347.09WHQL, excuse me, what onscreen infos do you mean?

Yes, they should work. I guess you are using the demo version 2.16. Could you maybe explain the set up you are using and send us the HDR you want to use? Thanks.

Yes i' m using the demo version but he 2.6.1 and soon i will buy the full version, whenever i create a new scene with an HDRI enviroment...loading up the HDRI in the imagetexture slot for HDRI's...it get the error and sometimes crashes but the render won' t start, if i use only area lights or HDRI under 25mb of size it' s fine...the other HDRI's around the computer of the size to 25 to 100 doesn' t get loaded

dimension means width*height values. But i think 25mb hdri is not so big. What's the free/available vram with two gpus is activated? You can see it on live viewer window. Check it when you can render somethings.

sirkaoselite wrote: Yes i' m using the demo version but he 2.6.1 and soon i will buy the full version, whenever i create a new scene with an HDRI enviroment...loading up the HDRI in the imagetexture slot for HDRI's...it get the error and sometimes crashes but the render won' t start, if i use only area lights or HDRI under 25mb of size it' s fine...the other HDRI's around the computer of the size to 25 to 100 doesn' t get loaded

Is that a typo or are you using 2.06? You should use version 2.16, since from what you've said you are working on a 970.

I'm probably making confusion with octane demo versions, when i will go to the desktop at office (in a few hours) i will tell you that, but the thing that i' ve noticed is the icons change as well as some of the settings, i will see also the dimensions of the HDRI lights, what i think is that probably the new driver that i've installed before going home for two weeks created this problem, also....the licensed versuon works better than the demo? (not that the demo works bad)