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TRRazor wrote:

How is it that other plug-ins are faster to update their releases?
Are you saying all those are buggy??
If they are all so buggy, I would think releasing version after version would eventually reduce or eliminate the bugs, no? After all, that is what BETA testing is designed to accomplish.
(PS. Its pretty bad when even the Carrara plugin is more up to date than Daz Studio's.)

That's an easy one to answer: All of the other plug-ins you listed above are developed by full-time developers who are making a living out of this. t_3 is not developing the plug-in full time, and probably has another dayjob from which he has to make a living.

That is none of my concern as a paying customer. They can hire whoever they want.
I should not, nor do not, care how they accomplish their side of the deal that was made when I gave them money.
Further, that does nothing to support your claim of "software developed quickly is buggy software".
That is like ordering food in a restaurant and then being told (by another customer) "Hey, take it easy. Just wait a while. The cook is still learning."
Yeah, ok. And why should I care?

Why exactly should I cut them slack, again? What incentive do I have to cut Otoy some slack?
"Sooner than you think" came and went, 6 months ago.
In fact, it's been 3 months since the "Request for official statement concerning the OcDS plugin" has been made. At what point has the request been answered? That's really all I'm asking for: AN ANSWER.
At what point will we finally get a meaningful useful response as to the status of the BETA plugin, without subterfuge regarding future versions of unreleased software?

The question you should ask yourself instead is: What other influential options, that will produce a working plug-in, do you really have? whining? complaining? No valid alternatives imho...

No, I was asking YOU, since you are telling me to cut them some slack.
Since you're a paying customer as well, I don't understand why you prefer to defend them.

Know what?
Lets take it from another viewpoint....
Pretend I am brand new to this entire thing, and only have Daz Studio, and Octane (standalone).
After reading years of posts in this forum about a broken plugin, should they buy OcDS plugin when the answer is "when its ready"?
I would think not. So, if the answer to a NEW customer is "I would not recommend it", what happens to the existing customers that have already paid for it? Are we just supposed to sit idly by for years, and wonder when it will finally happen?

It won't be years, I guess that can be said for certain, the plug-in is in a "too advanced" state...

You have no way of knowing that whatsoever. So, that IS a guess.
It has taken years to get to THIS point, so a guess in years is as good as any.

PS: I'm definitely on your side here, man, but aside from this thread, complaining / upping the pressure hasn't really changed much over the last months, aside from a slight improvement in Otoy's communication policy and in the complete vanishing of t_3.

Sitting around and waiting at the kids' table until Juice Time, like good little boys and girls, hasn't really changed much in the way of results either.
In fact, the mere existence of this thread, asking questions, and pushing to have answers, has produced the little information we have so far.

So let's all chill out, and give them time until the end of the year - I'm sure we'll hear something from them again then - and yes, this is again - pure speculation, since I'm not part of the Otoy team

When it was said they were "half way through the process", I waited. That time has passed.
I really don't think I should need to wait months, to arrive at a meaningful response to a question.
It is a simple question. Being asked to wait months for an answer is insulting.
Frankly, I don't understand why you are not equally upset at this, but prefer to quiet the voices of protest.

I am growing tired of the other customers in this forum that see themselves as the moderator for complaints regarding the progress of this plugin.
You may be perfectly happy with this software, and that is great for you. However, your happiness with how things are doesn't trump the complaints.
This is the only support forum for this software, and I highly doubt it was created so we could all congratulate each other on a perfect plugin.

the first post I made on these forums, I said I was here to help, and that hasn't changed. I've shared all I can until I get word from others handling this and confirming everything is wrapped up so we can finally move forward and announce a resolution to these issues. I am as eager as all of you to see that happen. OTOY management is on this, you don't have to do anything further to get anyone's attention.

That is none of my concern as a paying customer. They can hire whoever they want.
I should not, nor do not, care how they accomplish their side of the deal that was made when I gave them money.

What part of "beta" did you not understand, when you signed up to purchase unfinished code, which was (in the case of the DS plug-in) far from being finished and nowhere near perfect?
The paying customer argument is all well and good, but please do remember, that you explicitly agreed to purchase something, that was (and still is not) a complete product - that's what software beta tests are there for. Although the OCDS beta phase might be a ridiculously long one, at that point

Yeah, ok. And why should I care?

I don't know, maybe because you would look less like an asshole?
After all, you'll always have the opportunity to eat elsewhere, don't you?

I'm kidding...you must see for yourself, that the analogy is not really given in this case, don't you think?

Further, that does nothing to support your claim of "software developed quickly is buggy software".

Is this a serious question?

Tell me when games, which were rushed out the door, ever received great press (latest example would be Batman: Arkham Knight, the PC version was a mess at release, due to rushed development).

No, I was asking YOU, since you are telling me to cut them some slack.
Since you're a paying customer as well, I don't understand why you prefer to defend them.

Now I have the strong impression, that we're jumping to conclusions here...
I'm not defending anybody, when did I ever, in my replies above? I have no reason to do so at all...
I'm merely trying to give a couple of valid reasons why constantly venting ones anger on the boards might not always be the best solution to move things forward...

You have no way of knowing that whatsoever. So, that IS a guess.
It has taken years to get to THIS point, so a guess in years is as good as any.

Agreed, I am. And yes, it is

Sitting around and waiting at the kids' table until Juice Time, like good little boys and girls, hasn't really changed much in the way of results either.
In fact, the mere existence of this thread, asking questions, and pushing to have answers, has produced the little information we have so far.

Is this really how the situation was?
I remember some ambitious community members / users, e-mailing Otoy after which things were" set into motion" - the boards are a mere platform to have a dialog between Otoy and said users.

When it was said they were "half way through the process", I waited. That time has passed.
I really don't think I should need to wait months, to arrive at a meaningful response to a question.
It is a simple question. Being asked to wait months for an answer is insulting.

Totally agree with the first three sentences there.

Frankly, I don't understand why you are not equally upset at this, but prefer to quiet the voices of protest.

I really am, I just learned some time ago, that it doesn't move things forward, if I bang my fists on the table in my favorite restaurant, and insist on getting my food NOW, when I'm being told that it will take longer to be served due to technical difficulties.
Just doesn't work - try it, you might get some form of refund or other goodie but if the grill doesn't work right you might be sitting there all night, banging your fists on the table

I am growing tired of the other customers in this forum that see themselves as the moderator for complaints regarding the progress of this plugin.

I'm not moderating at all, I'm barely trying to move the discussion from an emotional to an objective level, which is the right level, if you want to make things happen, and get shit done

If it works for you, to continue to bang your fists on the table, instead of being patient and wait, until they get the grill fixed, then go ahead - nobody will stop you - not even I, since I certainly got better things to do

But do remember, at the end of the day it's the staff getting the grill fixed, and that's human beings we're talking about...

Goldorak wrote:the first post I made on these forums, I said I was here to help, and that hasn't changed. I've shared all I can until I get word from others handling this and confirming everything is wrapped up so we can finally move forward and announce a resolution to these issues. I am as eager as all of you to see that happen. OTOY management is on this, you don't have to do anything further to get anyone's attention.

@leblancd - I guess this was clear enough now, was it?

TRRazor wrote:

Goldorak wrote:the first post I made on these forums, I said I was here to help, and that hasn't changed. I've shared all I can until I get word from others handling this and confirming everything is wrapped up so we can finally move forward and announce a resolution to these issues. I am as eager as all of you to see that happen. OTOY management is on this, you don't have to do anything further to get anyone's attention.

@leblancd - I guess this was clear enough now, was it?

Yep.
I'll check back again in another 3-6 months, and probably be disappointed all over again.
At that time, we'll see who pipes up with "hey, now... give them some time. They're only human."

At that time, we'll see who pipes up with "hey, now... give them some time. They're only human."

Certainly won't be me - and I'm not sure, if at that point in time, anybody would be left to pipe up...

Leblancd, do you know if any of the Redspec Shaders have been affected by the current plugin issues? I do not currently have and am wondering your thoughts. Thanks!

Notiusweb wrote:Leblancd, do you know if any of the Redspec Shaders have been affected by the current plugin issues? I do not currently have and am wondering your thoughts. Thanks!

Can't say, really.
I think TRRazor would be more qualified to answer that.

Nope, all of our released shaders work well in DAZ Studio.
We will also continue to support OcDS in future releases.

Ok,

I am as anxious as everyone else to move forward, and I made myself clear that I want answers. But Otoy has also made it clear that they will not spill any beans on the matter until its resolved, which only makes the point clear that they do not know the outcome of whatever they are planning. So let's just reconvene in say 6 months again and take it from there