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Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:35 am
by Rik
That would be great.
Can't find a blend option for upscaler but I can see the one for denoiser (which I do use)
If I render without denoiser enabled, the octane viewport only shows the low res/not upscaled render.
If I turn on the denoiser, then the more clear, upscaled version appears, once I've selected the denoised beauty pass in the viewport current render pass bit.
Am I missing an option saying 'upscaled beauty' like there's one for 'denoised beauty' in the octane viewport?
Are you saying there's a way to see and change the blend value of the upscaled render without having to enable the denoiser?
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:37 am
by paride4331
Hi Rik,
setting upscaling, Octane renders in a lower res (e.g. 2x2), reducing the render time.
Denoiser tool works on the render done, Octane makes the render then denoiser start to clean it.
Have no sense makes the render then decrease the quality upscaling it.
Regards
Paride
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:18 am
by Rik
OK, but is it possible to see the render after it's been AI upscaled but without any denoising?
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:20 am
by paride4331
Rik wrote:OK, but is it possible to see the render after it's been AI upscaled but without any denoising?
Hi Rik,
the render is not upscaling "after", you will see the upscaling in beauty pass.
Uncheck "use denoised beauty output instead of beauty" option in Octane global preference, then enable multiple passes option (OctaneRender viewport); you will have beauty and denoised beauty active only to blend.
Regards
Paride
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:16 pm
by Rik
OK, I can see a difference between upscaling and AI upscaling.
Unfortunately, neither are useable for anything other than drafts renders;
Upscaling makes image blurred
AI upscaling makes image slightly less blurred but adds artefacts/noise all over image
Using AI denoiser smooths things out but looses alot of detail and makes the render look sort of fake. Probably because it's having to get rid of so much AI upscale added noise.
Or am I doing something wrong?
These images certainly don't reflect the render quality of the quad bike renders used to demo AI upscaling when this feature was released.
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:44 am
by paride4331
Hi Rik,
oh, you mean AI up-sampling not up-sampling.
In this case, no it's not possible use denoiser on AI upsampling result.
Denoiser works on up-sampling "raw".
Personally I don't know why, but it depends on SDK, not Octane plugin; should be asked to SDK developers.
Regards
Paride
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:25 am
by Rik
Hi Paride.
What's the progress with the fixing 2x2 upscaling with a camera?
I'd have thought it would be a simple fix if the 4x4 works. Are they having a particular problem with 2x2?
Really disappointing when Otoy release new features like Embergen FX without fixing more useful features which were released over a year ago. Bad form.
Gives the impression of a company who keeps releasing/dangling new features to amaze everyone but don't ensure they work reliably - on account of moving onto the next headline grabbing amazing feature, and the process repeats.
Think the developers should maybe concentrate on reliability rather than innovation.
Sorry to rant.
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:07 am
by paride4331
Hi Rik,
2x2 upsampling was fixed, Octane for 3dsMax developers will release a new plugin version asap.
Said That, you would keep in mind that Octane SDK developers are not the Octane plugins developers.
SDK developers release the SDK, then the Octane plguings deveopers get it to develope the pluigns.
Regards
Paride
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:44 am
by Rik
So it works for Standalone but not for 3dsmax plugin?
Any timescales on the plugin getting fixed? I've been holding off from running an animation until this works...
Re: 2x2 upsampling does nothing
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:36 am
by paride4331
Rik wrote:So it works for Standalone but not for 3dsmax plugin?
Any timescales on the plugin getting fixed? I've been holding off from running an animation until this works...
Hi Rik,
it works in SA as Octane 3dsMax plugin.
Regards
Paride