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Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:34 pm
by rappet
Guys,
Your suggestion of leaving out the gtx275 might be a good idea and makes me wonder if the best thing to do is this:
Buy two titans.... Put them in my main machine with two 580 (now has 4x580 3gb) with pcie3.0! ... And put the two 580 from the main in the 'old' machine pcie2.0 without the gtx275... just for extra renderpower if needed (networkrendering in near future).
What do you think?

Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:07 pm
by voon
That's if you go with default Mhz on the 780ies ... there's a ton of stable OCed ones out there ... the makers just select the chips that run stable ad higher mhz ... and 1150 over 870 is a huge increase in power. Of course it also means more power use and heat ... but cards like my 780 Tis can have excellent coolers. The MSIs work well, wlthough maybe not ideal in totally cramped surroundings.

If you're not even really requiring 6GB and can do with 3 GB over the next few years, then they're giving you far more power for far less money :) That is, unless they also release 6 GB 780 Tis, then things look bad for Titans anyway.

Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:59 pm
by glimpse
hi again, Rappet.

Nice to hear I was useful back then =) hope You enjoy working’ with it.

Think everyOne of us has slightly different FOV toward investment, based on their own workflow, needs, budget, etc. so, take my thoughts only as personal view =)

Here we have quite hot summer & thus running multiple cards side by side would be a problem for me (as I don’t have temperature controlled room =).I’d only pick OverClocked cards if they would have insane cooler like this Titan from Gigabyte with WindForce & decide to step building open case like Polder done.

I’ve been running couple Overclocked cards in open case with space between, but once I’ve stuffed them inside - I was worried about temperatures a lot..that’s why I actually prefer stock coolers that exhaust air out from the case & not looking to any OverClocks for GPU as at some moment I’ll find things falling apart.

However if ambient temperatures are fine (& You’re working let’s say in air-conditioned room) there’s nothing wrong having multiple OC’ed cards. Just from what I’ve read so far OC’ing gives diminishing returns as You’re always balancing on the edge. Worst case scenario is that a card or two, maybe even entire rig, might fail when You need that least & for my perspective that would be a steep price to pay. I’d rather have a rig rock stable & a bit slower, then fast & unpredictable. Probably that’s one of the reasons why I see water-cooling as big advantage. If I’d go for multiple OC’ed GPU’s I’d probably step to water-cooling without thinking as running 40-50C is way more relaxed than 80-90C. With such headroom You can play on the safe side with OverClocks.

As for Your card. Lower end card I’d probably put it inside for the screen only. You power supply looks good & I believe You should not have any problems to run Your rig with 900W (unless PSU is really tired, capacitors got degraded or some loose contacts have too much resistance, etc).

I would leave 580s in one rig as they are Fermi based (can handle different amount of textures) pluss it’s good to have 3Gb machine & 6Gb, rather then two with 3Gb ( if You would decide to mix cards =)

As for Titan vs 780 (6Gb), I’d step for the last one, because of price..- let’s say..with what You save from two cards - You might buy better motherboard, bigger case & thus house two more cards later (even if need to add additional PSU to handle those - You know that fact that You can connect two of them if You want? =)..

Again it depends from what perspective You’re looking to everything as that’s very subjective. I believe most of us got their points & are right in one or the other way, but our reasoning looks not so stable from other standpoint, so in the end everything depends on You personal needs & usage =)

Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:37 pm
by rappet
Thanx again guys.. This helps a lot.

In the Netherlands I have just found one salepoint yet that give a price for the 780-6gb and it is 720 euro;
which is more expensive then I thought it would be (about 550 euro)
Therefor the Titan is 25% more expensive, but has 29% more renderpower.
I want to do that anyway just to get max renderpower... I just have to swallow a few times spending the bugs :oops:

OK, this is my plan (at least that is what I think now :!: )
I will keep the gtx275 for my monitor (graphic workduring rendering). I will add two Titans to this 'old' PC. The newest PC with the 580rig will be my renderpower and the old machine will help over network when I need double up the speed with scenes or when I need a 6gb for the scene.
When the 900W can not handle the 275+2Titans... ("you can't handle the truth..")... then I will remove the gtx275 or add a 1250W PSU.
This way I can double (2x580 is about 1Titan) my current Renderpower (<3gb) by adding a 6gb machine.

OK, now I'll sleep and dream about it and tomorrow I'll probably order the Titans. Farewell bugs, hello Power :mrgreen:

btw: nice to know that PSU's can be connected!!!!
So, if I have to upgrade my 900W and change it for a 1250W (I so not have space fro a second one),
I can keep the 900W in a corner for a while and in a year or two I can add into a new PC with another 800W for instance.

Greetz, and thanx again voon and glimpse.
I'll post the result when I get there ;)

Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:12 am
by voon
One small thing: Cards also get Power through their PCI slots. With many powerful cards, the cards can ask too much, and despite the extra connectors with anough power, the system can then fail. This is why my workstation motherboard has an extra power connector for the PSU just to give more juice to the PCI slots themselves (not to be confused with the main power connector and the extra CPU power connector). I'm not sure when that limit is reached though ... I guess with three cards you're still safe.

Re: Adding two titans in 'old' pc and blow up my house?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:44 pm
by rappet
Hi Guys,

I now have added two Titans and a few fans to the machine and it all works great :!: :mrgreen:

The case was big enough to add them... The cards are also very close together, and the bottom one is very close to the 950watt PSU, but it works fine.
So far testing I have no problems. The temps of tyhe GPU are about 80/85 degrees while rendering fullmax.
And the noise is pretty low compared to my other machine with 4 580's, but then, the fans in the 580case are with more in numbers and with faster speed.

So, Thanx guys, for all the advice...

greetz,